Have you talked to art+feminism? They have been doing this for many years https://artandfeminism.org/
Wikidata tends to be more fact based with linked open data. https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q3880310 Yes, as you see some editors seek to “win” edit wars by declaring coi rather than engaging in good faith collaboration. I would disengage for a time and return when edit warriors have moved on. Here is some background https://www.beutlerink.com/interviews/wikiconference-2024-coi-editing On Fri, Oct 17, 2025 at 8:36 PM V C <[email protected]> wrote: > This is the only real advice I’ve been given. I’ve been transparent about > COI but not sure if even that applies bc I didn’t have prior relationship > to BLP before I was introduced to her in order to help clean up pages on > her, and improve pages that cite her scholarship. Other editors are even > farther removed! > > Any advice/links for how wiki data could help us catalogue articles > relevant to The Readymades of Marcel Duchamp would be deeply appreciated. > There are a lot of inconsistencies in image permissions. unclear how this > effort could be promotional if the citations for Rhonda Roland shearers > work are already present on the encyclopedia and have been for over a > decade. > > A call for editors was placed on mailing list because the artworks are > part of an art and law course dealing with CCBYSA - would it be too late to > host formal edit a thon on this? SPA accts would not need to exist were it > not for hounding/3RR and userspace harassments. > > We’ve asked for help many times to improve the pages, include recent > scholarship and describe artworks with accuracy (size, version history, > fabricators, references to historical prototypes, etc) and sourced a lot of > material previously unsourced. refusal to let newcomers incorporate these > facts have led us to question Wikipedia’s neutrality, because we’re not > replacing or removing data at all and don’t have any intention to. > > And thank you for being kind! > > > On Friday, October 17, 2025, J Hayes <[email protected]> wrote: > >> We need to be ambassadors to outsiders to produce the sum of all >> knowledge. Crying coi and sock is dysfunctional. Wikipedians in residence >> have been accused of coi before, how is that working out? >> A pivot to wikidata as prework can be productive. >> >> On Fri, Oct 17, 2025 at 9:52 AM V C <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> I’m not sure what you mean by “ >>> you could council outsiders in productive ways of working with >>> wikipedia.” They would just be accused of socking if they worked on her >>> page. >>> >>> HTTPS://viki.wiki >>> >>> >>> On Fri, Oct 17, 2025 at 8:27 AM J Hayes <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>> you could council outsiders in productive ways of working with >>>> wikipedia. but instead we have repeated use of technical tools to deal with >>>> people problems. >>>> >>>> so no - no validation from me. rest assured , There will be >>>> consequences for the bitey behavior. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Thu, Oct 16, 2025 at 7:04 PM V C <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>>> We have declared all multiple accounts of people brought in with no >>>>> COI only to be accused of socking. Is there a “correct” way to handle >>>>> this? >>>>> >>>>> HTTPS://viki.wiki >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> ---------- Forwarded message --------- >>>>> From: V C <[email protected]> >>>>> Date: Thu, Oct 16, 2025 at 6:53 PM >>>>> Subject: Fwd: Rambling Rambler userspace harrassment, edit warring, >>>>> hounding, suppression of women's achievements on wikipedia >>>>> To: <[email protected]> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Edit warring affecting women artists >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> victoria campbell <http://victoriacampbell.io> >>>>> +12108975814 >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> ---------- Forwarded message --------- >>>>> From: V C <[email protected]> >>>>> Date: Thu, Oct 16, 2025 at 6:49 PM >>>>> Subject: Rambling Rambler userspace harrassment, edit warring, >>>>> hounding, suppression of women's achievements on wikipedia >>>>> To: <[email protected]> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Can anyone give advice on this? I am writing from a gallery trying to >>>>> update pages with contributions from recent scholarship and the other >>>>> editors are SPA's with good intent but new. We have faced serious >>>>> hounding, >>>>> harassment, etc, and any attempt to declare COI or SPA is subject to >>>>> predictive policing of edits, not quality of content or sources. >>>>> >>>>> Thank you, >>>>> >>>>> VC >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/Incidents >>>>> >>>>> This user has blanked out their talk page history which reveals >>>>> repeated persistent assumption of bad faith, repeated arbitrary or >>>>> unmotivated removal of any content without appropriate discussion or >>>>> providing explanation, filing incident reports intended to marginalize or >>>>> ostracize, stonewalling and the abuse of editor tools or other forms of >>>>> algorithmic governance to prevent deletion discussions or consensus. >>>>> >>>>> User is hounding expert editors with "evidence" as to canvassing, >>>>> sockpuppetry, etc, while masquerading as an administrator. This user is >>>>> not >>>>> an administrator. >>>>> >>>>> Diff comparison exhibits the usual mistakes of a new editor and traces >>>>> of a clean start but no evidence of bad faith contribs from an >>>>> undesired fidelity >>>>> <https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=An_undesired_fidelity&action=edit&redlink=1> >>>>> >>>>> A call to improve pages related to Marcel Duchamp and his peers was >>>>> broadcast over art world mailing list with links to diffs. No specific >>>>> instruction to promote a certain point of view but the need to ensure >>>>> legacy sources already cited in article was emphasized. Materials (like >>>>> images) sourced from toutfait don't give proper attn to the scholarship >>>>> they are sourced from; this is in breach of fair use of these resources >>>>> for >>>>> educational purposes. If Wikipedia wants to suppress recent scholarship, >>>>> they can pay royalties -- but I'm not the person they would be dealing >>>>> with >>>>> to do so because I'm actually not affiliated beyond the art world with any >>>>> of these subjects, alive or dead. >>>>> >>>>> I have checked Wikipedia policy and this does not seem to be in >>>>> violation of rules, might be better to host an edit-a-thon than pull in >>>>> new >>>>> editors but otherwise in the range of acceptable behavior on Wikipedia. >>>>> >>>>> Cloaked redirect to avoid discussion to delete >>>>> <https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Spiritual_America&action=history> >>>>> despite >>>>> this affecting female-founded art gallery with notability for mounting >>>>> first presentation of artwork by Richard Prince >>>>> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Prince>; page erases women's >>>>> contributions to redirect to RP with a focus on illicit content rather >>>>> than >>>>> historical exhibitions by well known artists of the Pictures >>>>> Generation <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pictures_Generation>. >>>>> Ownership behavior. >>>>> >>>>> Rhonda Roland Shearer >>>>> <https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Rhonda_Roland_Shearer&oldid=1316322946> >>>>> now >>>>> features unsourced lede, suppression of content, damage to context >>>>> for appreciation for 'womens work' >>>>> <https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Rhonda_Roland_Shearer&oldid=1317112338> >>>>> ; Rambling Rambler >>>>> <https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Rambling_Rambler&action=edit&redlink=1> >>>>> is >>>>> now calling for protected status of page after demonstrating ownership >>>>> behavior >>>>> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Ownership_of_content#Examples_of_ownership_behavior> >>>>> with >>>>> no evidence of actual abuse wrt SPA >>>>> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SPA>'s or indication that updates to >>>>> these pages was excessively promotional, unbalanced >>>>> >>>>> this edit provides only empirical object data for this readymade >>>>> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Hat_Rack_(Duchamp)>, but drafted >>>>> without concern for this work as currently part of an educational effort >>>>> on >>>>> the part of many editors >>>>> >>>>> In advance of the broken arm >>>>> <https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=In_Advance_of_the_Broken_Arm&oldid=1316733103> >>>>> now >>>>> has a confusing photograph with questionable copyright: how is it a >>>>> digital >>>>> rendering and also a photograph (with camera data)?? confusing as to how >>>>> this is an "ordinary manufactured object" >>>>> >>>>> LHOOQ >>>>> <https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=L.H.O.O.Q.&oldid=1316838120> >>>>> has >>>>> had its version history removed despite the size of the object referenced >>>>> in article is obviously too big to be a found postcard and so watered >>>>> down to previous version <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/L.H.O.O.Q.> >>>>> >>>>> This is but a selection of the biased, false, inaccurate or >>>>> inappropriate content, or hindering, impeding or otherwise hampering the >>>>> creation (and/or maintenance) of content that seems to be a pattern of >>>>> behavior for Rambling Rambler >>>>> <https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Rambling_Rambler&action=edit&redlink=1> >>>>> . >>>>> >>>>> Asking for audit of sock accounts & quality of contributions be >>>>> weighted wrt pattern of revert warring on RRS page since July/August and >>>>> lots of hostility when "socks" are asked to disclose COI's. Unclear how a >>>>> COI can exist at the same time as copyright violations: either socks are >>>>> working for ppl that would give them permission to use pics for >>>>> promotional >>>>> purposes, or pics are being used w/o permission and therefore no COI. >>>>> >>>>> Please pick one and consider the impact of these changes on the state >>>>> of the field and for the experience of new editors on wikipedia. >>>>> — Preceding unsigned >>>>> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Signatures> comment added by >>>>> Alyssadavisgallery >>>>> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Alyssadavisgallery> (talk >>>>> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Alyssadavisgallery#top> • >>>>> contribs >>>>> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/Alyssadavisgallery> >>>>> ) 22:14, 16 October 2025 (UTC) >>>>> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/Incidents#c-Alyssadavisgallery-20251016221400-Rambling_Rambler_userspace_harrassment,_edit_warring,_hounding,_suppression_of_w> >>>>> Without comment as to the above complaint, I want to note that >>>>> slightly earlier I filed a sockpuppet investigation related to OP's >>>>> account: Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/An undesired fidelity >>>>> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Sockpuppet_investigations/An_undesired_fidelity>. >>>>> — *rsjaffe* <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Rsjaffe> 🗣️ >>>>> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Rsjaffe> 22:22, 16 October >>>>> 2025 (UTC) >>>>> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/Incidents#c-Rsjaffe-20251016222200-Alyssadavisgallery-20251016221400> >>>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Clean_start all have the >>>>> right to clean start but userspace harrassment, hounding and abuse of >>>>> consensus are universally against conduct. I am getting involved because >>>>> my >>>>> IP is used for multiple purposes by multiple people and am not connected >>>>> to >>>>> other people trying to improve pages on the subject matter. >>>>> Alyssadavisgallery >>>>> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Alyssadavisgallery> (talk >>>>> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Alyssadavisgallery>) 22:25, >>>>> 16 October 2025 (UTC) >>>>> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/Incidents#c-Alyssadavisgallery-20251016222500-Rsjaffe-20251016222200>You >>>>> were blocked, so, no, you do not, in fact, have the right to a clean >>>>> start. >>>>> Any uninvolved administrator should feel free to close this nonsense >>>>> immediately. See User:An undesired fidelity >>>>> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:An_undesired_fidelity>. *Bgsu98* >>>>> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Bgsu98> (Talk) >>>>> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Bgsu98> 22:30, 16 October >>>>> 2025 (UTC) >>>>> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/Incidents#c-Bgsu98-20251016223000-Alyssadavisgallery-20251016222500> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> victoria campbell <http://victoriacampbell.io> >>>>> +12108975814 >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Gendergap mailing list -- [email protected] >>>>> To unsubscribe send an email to [email protected] >>>>> To manage your subscription preferences, including unsubscribing, >>>>> please visit: >>>>> %(web_page_url)slistinfo%(cgiext)s/%(_internal_name)s >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Gendergap mailing list -- [email protected] >>>> To unsubscribe send an email to [email protected] >>>> To manage your subscription preferences, including unsubscribing, >>>> please visit: >>>> >>>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/postorius/lists/gendergap.lists.wikimedia.org/ >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Gendergap mailing list -- [email protected] >>> To unsubscribe send an email to [email protected] >>> To manage your subscription preferences, including unsubscribing, please >>> visit: >>> >>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/postorius/lists/gendergap.lists.wikimedia.org/ >> >> > > -- > HTTPS://viki.wiki > _______________________________________________ > Gendergap mailing list -- [email protected] > To unsubscribe send an email to [email protected] > To manage your subscription preferences, including unsubscribing, please > visit: > https://lists.wikimedia.org/postorius/lists/gendergap.lists.wikimedia.org/
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