I still say we need to say "This is what we want" not just "This is f*cked up". I think we should follow similar rules as to writing a letter of complaint (even if it has a certain Jon/Apache-like flare) -Andy
On Wed, 2002-01-30 at 18:01, Scott Sanders wrote: > +1. + 10000! Why should Apache be silent if the process in NOT open? Publicity is >what this needs. C# is more open than the JCP, and that is really, really sad. If >we can't express these opinions, who will? I am personally glad that jon is the >outspoken person that he is. If he wasn't, would have the balls to publish that??? >I cannot guess anyone right off. > > Scott Sanders > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Ceki Gülcü [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > Sent: Wednesday, January 30, 2002 2:59 PM > > To: Jakarta General List > > Subject: Re: [Fwd: cvs commit: jakarta-site2/xdocs index.xml] > > > > > > > > The Java Community Process (JCP) is not a "community" process > > at all. It's a way for Sun Inc. to claim they are open. You > > know it. I know it. Sun knows it. Let's stop deluding > > ourselves shall we? > > > > I say we move "that flaming fireball" to the home page of *Apache*. > > > > -- > > Ceki > > > > At 17:10 30.01.2002 -0500, Ted Husted wrote: > > >I'm not comfortable with carrying this type of editorial > > matter at the > > >top of the home page, and would like to move it to the news > > and status > > >page. > > > > > >-Ted. > > > > > >-------- Original Message -------- > > >Subject: cvs commit: jakarta-site2/xdocs index.xml > > >Date: 30 Jan 2002 21:53:04 -0000 > > >From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > >Reply-To: "Jakarta WebSite CVS List" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > >jon 02/01/30 13:53:04 > > > > > > Modified: docs index.html > > > xdocs index.xml > > > Log: > > > lets have a little fun. > > > > > > Revision Changes Path > > > 1.52 +32 -0 jakarta-site2/docs/index.html > > > > > > Index: index.html > > > =================================================================== > > > RCS file: /home/cvs/jakarta-site2/docs/index.html,v > > > retrieving revision 1.51 > > > retrieving revision 1.52 > > > diff -u -r1.51 -r1.52 > > > --- index.html 29 Jan 2002 01:47:06 -0000 1.51 > > > +++ index.html 30 Jan 2002 21:53:03 -0000 1.52 > > > @@ -140,6 +140,38 @@ > > > > > > > ><table border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="2" width="100%"> > > > <tr><td bgcolor="#525D76"> > > > <font color="#ffffff" face="arial,helvetica,sanserif"> > > > + <a name="That flaming fireball in the > > sky..."><strong>That > > >flaming fireball in the sky...</strong></a> > > > + </font> > > > + </td></tr> > > > + <tr><td> > > > + <blockquote> > > > + <p> > > > +In a recent <a > > >href="http://www.theserverside.com/resources/article.jsp?l=Su > > nInterview > > >">article</a>, > > >Karen Tegan, Director of J2EE Compatibility and Platform > > > +Services for Sun Microsystems, had the following to say: > > > +</p> > > > + <p> > > > +"The J2EE Compatible brand has achieved significant > > momentum over the > > > +past two years, and we want to make sure that any open > > source efforts > > > +don't impact the viability of that effort." > > > +</p> > > > + <p> > > > +In other words, Sun doesn't give a hoot about whether > > J2EE licensing > > > +restricts open source J2EE products (in case you missed > > it, it does). > > > +Thus, the Apache Software Foundation's involvement in the Java > > >Community > > > +Process (JCP) is simply an advertising statement for Sun to claim > > >that > > > +they have a 'vision which uses open standards and non-proprietary > > > +interfaces'. If you would like to express your opinions of Sun's > > > +licensing terms, feel free to contact <a > > >href="mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]";>[EMAIL PROTECTED]</a> and let us > > know what you > > > +think. Thanks. > > > +</p> > > > + </blockquote> > > > + </p> > > > + </td></tr> > > > + <tr><td><br/></td></tr> > > > + </table> > > > + <table border="0" > > >cellspacing="0" cellpadding="2" width="100%"> > > > + <tr><td bgcolor="#525D76"> > > > + <font color="#ffffff" face="arial,helvetica,sanserif"> > > > <a name="Welcome"><strong>Welcome</strong></a> > > > </font> > > > </td></tr> > > > > > > > > > > > > 1.21 +28 -0 jakarta-site2/xdocs/index.xml > > > > > > Index: index.xml > > > =================================================================== > > > RCS file: /home/cvs/jakarta-site2/xdocs/index.xml,v > > > retrieving revision 1.20 > > > retrieving revision 1.21 > > > diff -u -r1.20 -r1.21 > > > --- index.xml 20 Jan 2002 16:28:07 -0000 1.20 > > > +++ index.xml 30 Jan 2002 21:53:03 -0000 1.21 > > > @@ -9,6 +9,34 @@ > > > > > > <body> > > > > > > +<section name="That flaming fireball in the sky..."> > > > +<p> > > > +In a recent <a > > > > > >+href="http://www.theserverside.com/resources/article.jsp?l=S > > unIntervie > > >+w" > > > +>article</a>, Karen Tegan, Director of J2EE Compatibility and > > >Platform > > > +Services for Sun Microsystems, had the following to say: > > > +</p> > > > + > > > +<p> > > > +"The J2EE Compatible brand has achieved significant momentum over > > >the > > > +past two years, and we want to make sure that any open > > source efforts > > > +don't impact the viability of that effort." > > > +</p> > > > + > > > +<p> > > > +In other words, Sun doesn't give a hoot about whether > > J2EE licensing > > > +restricts open source J2EE products (in case you missed > > it, it does). > > > +Thus, the Apache Software Foundation's involvement in the Java > > >Community > > > +Process (JCP) is simply an advertising statement for Sun to claim > > >that > > > +they have a 'vision which uses open standards and non-proprietary > > > +interfaces'. 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