On Wed, 2002-01-30 at 19:54, Jon Scott Stevens wrote: > on 2002.1.30 4:15 PM, "Andrew C. Oliver" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > My only issue and I guess this is directed more at you Jon, is it > > doesn't give me a clear idea about "what we want". Can you give me a > > good idea and I'll be glad to submit a patch to that effect. It just > > seems like we should be asking for something and being specific. > > > > -Andy > > That is a very good point. However, privately, Sun knows exactly what we > want. > > There is still some stuff that goes on behind the scenes around here that > unfortunately isn't exposed. Needless to say, discussions about opening some > of that up (including posting what we want to the public site) are going on > now. >
For starters: I think the J2EE stuff should be under at least the same license as the rest of the JDK. Personally I'm having a hard time getting particularly in uproar as I think the central core of J2EE - Enterprise Java Beans is such a poor standard, that I'm not particularly upset that its not *free*. I should not say these things publicly, as I still have to work in these things, but in truth EJB and particularly Entity beans is a less that elegant kludge. In truth J2EE is kind of a scam. It claims to be aiming for compatibility and universality but the truth is the vendors play too big of a role in it. They want to have lots of room for proprietary extensions. Its market one thing but actually sell another. I'd rather see someone come up with an opensource standard that achieves the goals of EJBs without being limited by its faulty design and backward compatibility with its original faultier design. Just my humble opinion on that. > This is fun. > > p.s. The spec lead for JSR107 had a nice response to my complaints about the > license issues for that JSR. It went something like this: > > > As for the license, I can find no mention of Oracle requesting any money > > for anything. I seriously doubt if this license is significantly > > different than licenses for JSP's sponsored by other companies. > > Uh. Yea. Whatever dude. > Right. Why request money now? I'll have to look at the JSR. > -jon > > > -- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > For additional commands, e-mail: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > -- www.superlinksoftware.com www.sourceforge.net/projects/poi - port of Excel format to java http://developer.java.sun.com/developer/bugParade/bugs/4487555.html - fix java generics! The avalanche has already started. It is too late for the pebbles to vote. -Ambassador Kosh -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> For additional commands, e-mail: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
