Gregg, You do have a point. Yet, the first one I looked at has no final dots anywhere (http://ddc.aub.edu.lb/projects/jafet/manuscripts/alsahifa/html/255l.html). The second one is inconsistent (http://ddc.aub.edu.lb/projects/jafet/manuscripts/taabeer-al-manam/html/005a .html). I have images of mus'hafs that use points throughout on any final yeh-curve, regardless the semantics, something I also noticed in the second example (laylae with dots)
Anyway, regarding Qur'anic spelling, it would be nice if you could find a manuscript that uses dots to distinguish betsween yeh and maqsura. t Gregg Reynolds wrote: >> Gregg Reynolds wrote: >> >>> Meor Ridzuan Meor Yahaya wrote: >> > >>>> and maybe sometimes 649, by some users. What I understood from my >>>> research is, traditionally, the final yeh does not come with the >>>> dots. It was used mainly by non arabic speaker. Later one, it was >>>> somehow adopted by arabic speaker somehow. >>> >> >> Hi again, Meor, >> >> Don't belief everything you read on the web. ;) >> >>> >>> FYI, this may be true historically, but in my opinion it is not >> >> I correct myself: it is demonstrably *not* true historically. See >> >> http://ddc.aub.edu.lb/projects/jafet/manuscripts/ >> >> which, aside from being an amazing online resource of very old Arabic >> texts, provides numerous examples of dotted final yeh in Abbasid, >> Fatimid, and other manuscripts. >> >> If that doesn't establish use of final dotted yeh as normal, >> standard, Arabic, I don't know what does. >> >> (And regarding "foreign" in Arabic, considering the greatest of all >> Arab grammarians was a Persian who learned Arabic as a second >> language >> (http://www.hf.uio.no/ikos/studier/fag/arabisk/sibawayhi/HomePage/kitab.htm, >> where, btw, you can find more examples of dotted final yeh in >> scanned manuscripts), and that many of the finest poets and writers >> in the tradition were not native speakers, I don't see the use of >> the whole discussion. Dotted final yeh was historically and remains >> today ordinary and correct in written Arabic. Same for dottless >> final yeh.) >> >> -gregg >> > > > >> _______________________________________________ >> General mailing list >> [email protected] >> http://lists.arabeyes.org/mailman/listinfo/general
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