> On 2 Mar 2018, at 19:28, Mark Murphy <jmarkmur...@gmail.com> wrote:
> So going back to a previous thread, what would be involved with POI taking
> on XMLBeans as a second product? I believe we have enough PMC members
> willing to take it on and provide releases. We also have committers ready
> and waiting to make updates. We benefit from bug fixes, other users benefit
> from public releases, there are no naming conflicts, and we already have a
> functioning PMC capable of running an ASF project.
> The problem as I see it is that not only do Apache projects (Solar, Tika)
> use POI, but users of those projects also use XMLBeans to consume XML.
> Having two semi independent versions of XMLBeans in the classpath could be
> problematic.
> The Attic website says:
> Process of leaving the Attic again
> Options are:
>   - Forking the project - we'll link to any forks which have been created
>   so please let us know
>   - Restarting the community in the Apache Incubator
>   - Recreating a PMC for the project
> We'll take "Recreating a PMC for the project" Alex. How do we move forward
> with POI taking on XMLBeans as a second project.
For that option, you need to reestablish XmlBeans as a TLP, and to do that you 
need to send a resolution by the board.

I am not expert on how to establish a TLP, but I suspect the Board will look 
for more than just 3 PMC members to ensure voting, I suspect they will look for 
a community in order to ensure the project have a chance of surviving (please 
remember nobody stepped up to help, before XmlBeans were moved to the attic).

Please note, I have no opinion on what POI chooses, I am merely trying to give 
information. As Attic-PMC I would of course be happy to see old projects being 
reused within the 3 options.

Jan I.

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> From: Upayavira <u...@odoko.co.uk>
> To: "Javen O'Neal" <one...@apache.org>, POI Developers List <
> d...@poi.apache.org>
> Cc: general@attic.apache.org, d...@xmlbeans.apache.org
> Bcc:
> Date: Tue, 07 Nov 2017 17:16:04 +0000
> Subject: Re: Non-maintainer upload of bugfixes for the XMLBeans library in
> the Attic
> Could POI take on XMLbeans as a second product? If they intend to
> maintain it, and can provide 3+ PMC members who will vote on releases,
> then presumably the POI project could make releases of the Apache
> XMLBeans product?
> Then there's no naming issues, everyone benefits from public releases.
> At such a point as there is enough interest, it can fork back into its
> own community. POI committers would gain commit rights on an XMLBeans
> repo.
> Upayavira
> On Tue, 7 Nov 2017, at 04:59 PM, Javen O'Neal wrote:
>> Any other project using XMLBeans on Android would likely be affected by
>> the
>> same issue. Making the XMLBeans update within the POI source code or POI
>> maven coordinates would make it more difficult for others to find this
>> update.
>> If we had to change the Java package name to
>> org.apache.poi.internal.xmlbeans, it would take a bit of trickery to
>> allow
>> users to continue using the official releases, XMLBeans 2.3.0 or 2.6.0 if
>> the bug doesn't affect them.
>> On Nov 7, 2017 03:41, "sebb" <seb...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On 7 November 2017 at 07:20, jan iversen <jancasacon...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> Sent from my iPad
>>>> On 6 Nov 2017, at 21:47, Dominik Stadler <dominik.stad...@gmx.at>
> wrote:
>>>> Hi,
>>>> The Apache XMLBeans library was moved to the Attic a few years ago
>>>> (05/2014), however Apache POI still uses the library as it's core XML
>>>> binding framework.
>>>> While the Apache POI PMC and the development community is already
>>>> discussing possible replacements for some time, use of XMLBeans is
> still
>>>> deeply rooted and thus hard to replace quickly.
>>>> Over time, we discovered a few grave bugs in XMLBeans which lead to
>>>> bug-reports that we cannot fix ourselves.
>>>> Therefore we would like to start discussion about an NMU of XMLBeans to
>> get
>>>> a fix for the most pressing issues.
>>>> See https://bz.apache.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=59268 for the full
>>>> discussion,and https://github.com/pjfanning/xmlbeans for a fork with
>>>> initial bugfixes.
>>>> Among others, we would like to fix the following, changes for these are
>>>> already applied and verified in the github fork:
>>>> * the official XMLBeans-JAR contains duplicate classes, making it
>>>> impossible to use it on Android as the Android build fails due to this
>>>> * cannot use Unicode surogates, thus affecting use of Apache POI in
>>>> non-latin-script areas
>>>> * Remove W3C and JAVAX classes which are not needed any more since
> Java 6
>>>> (current Apache POI development is on Java 8)
>>>> So is there a precedent for something like this? What steps do we need
> to
>>>> make to get an updated version of XMLBeans published?
>>> Others might have examples of how it was done in the past. Making a fork
>> on e.g. github with a new non-apache name is the simplest way.
>>> However if I understand it correct your intention is only to maintain
>> XMLbeans for the benefit of POI. That gives you (as I see it) another
>> option, you can include the source code in your project and do the
>> patches
>> as part of your project.
>> I think it would need to be in a different package to avoid possible
>> confusion with the original.
>> And it should be obvious that it is not intended for external use.
>> e.g. org.apache.poi.internal.xmlbeans
>>> rgds
>>> jan i
>>>> Thanks... Dominik
>>>> On behalf of the Apache POI PMC
>>>> About Apache POI
>>>> -----------------------
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>>>> new (OOXML - Office Open XML) formats.
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