John Alex Hebert wrote: <em>> <em>> You should try Debian. If you are impressed by *BSD's ports tree, you are gonna <em>> love apt-get. I haven't played with the rpm<->apt-get thingie that John Beamon Been meaning too. If I find some spare time this year I might actually get around to it. Regards, Dustin <em>> just mentioned because rpm didn't automatically download it's dependencies <em>> (how's that for irony). :) Or, I'm just too lazy to go find those packages to <em>> fulfill those dependencies. <em>> <em>> Package definition for Debian packages (.deb) seems to be a little more <em>> organized than .rpm packages. I can run one command "apt-get packagename" and <em>> automatically download and install packagename including all of its <em>> dependencies. I assume this is also possible due to the strict adherence of <em>> Debian to the file system archictecture guidelines (FSH?) for both the distro <em>> and .deb definitions. Another nice tool is dselect, which is like a package <em>> browser in ncurses. Much nicer than any RPM GUI tool I've seen and it WORKS. <em>> <em>> The Debian install is a little different from Redhat/Mandrake, but once you <em>> understand the difference between stable vs. unstable, US vs. non-US, free vs. <em>> non-free and how to define your package sources, you got it. It's actually <em>> easier than I'm making it sound. <em>> <em>> The thing I really liked when Hunter first introduced me to Debian over at <em>> FastBand (hey Hunter!) was that Debian installed with ONLY what it needed to do <em>> basic stuff (network, package management, etc.) and then I decided what else I <em>> wanted to install. There are even pre-defined profiles (development <em>> workstation, server, etc.) of packages to speed this up. Also, uninstalling <em>> packages is just as easy. Select all emacs junk in dselect; poof. Instant 20 <em>> megs of usuable disk space. I do need to get more familiar with the command <em>> line tools, as dselect is a package browser and so it is slow. <em>> <em>> If you decide to try it out, lemme know if you need some help. <em>> <em>> John Hebert <em>> System Engineer <em>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] <em>> Changing your state of mind through sound. <em>> <em>> -----Original Message----- <em>> From: Dustin Puryear [EMAIL PROTECTED] <em>> Sent: Tue, 02 Jan 2001 02:21:16 +0000 <em>> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <em>> Subject: Re: [brluglist] Linux needs something like *BSD's ports tree WAS: <em>> Compaq Deskpro <em>> <em>> John Alex Hebert wrote: <em>> > <em>> > Linux needs a whole bunch of things. The problem is that it has too many <em>> things <em>> > already. There is an effort to define a standard for Linux distributions: <em>> > http://www.linuxbase.org and there is a FAQ with some interesting info on <em>> > packaging systems at: http://www.linuxbase.org/spec/faq.html. <em>> > <em>> > What do you think about Debian's packaging system? I think it is much easier <em>> to <em>> <em>> I've never used Debian. <em>> <em>> > use than RPM and have found far fewer problems with it (dependencies). Also, <em>> > RPM doesn't seem to update its database correctly when I install a package. <em>> Hey <em>> > John Beamon: Should I be issuing another rpm command after installing a <em>> package <em>> > so that the RPM database knows it has been installed? It only happens <em>> > sometimes, but it is confusing. <em>> <em>> RPM *should* be tracking this already. <em>> <em>> Regards, Dustin <em>> <em>> > <em>> > John Hebert <em>> > System Engineer <em>> > [EMAIL PROTECTED] <em>> > Changing your state of mind through sound. <em>> > <em>> > -----Original Message----- <em>> > From: Dustin Puryear [EMAIL PROTECTED] <em>> > Sent: Mon, 01 Jan 2001 17:14:19 +0000 <em>> > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <em>> > Subject: Re: [brluglist] Compaq Deskpro <em>> > <em>> > John Alex Hebert wrote: <em>> > > <em>> > > Agree with you about the ease of configuration concerning NAT. IP filtering <em>> is <em>> > > just as easy. <em>> > > <em>> > > Just wondering: why are you running OpenBSD 2.5 instead of 2.8? <em>> > <em>> > I purchased the CD a while back and so used that. <em>> > <em>> > BTW, the whole /usr/ports and pkg_add thing is killing me. Linux needs <em>> > that. <em>> > <em>> > Regards, Dustin <em>> > <em>> > > <em>> > > John Hebert <em>> > > System Engineer <em>> > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] <em>> > > Changing your state of mind through sound. <em>> > > <em>> > > -----Original Message----- <em>> > > From: Dustin Puryear [EMAIL PROTECTED] <em>> > > Sent: Sun, 31 Dec 2000 19:56:03 +0000 <em>> > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <em>> > > Subject: [brluglist] Compaq Deskpro <em>> > > <em>> > > I finally figured out the Compaq Deskpro units. The whole BIOS setup on <em>> > > floppy deal is a bit silly, but I have OpenBSD running as we speak. Talk <em>> > > about easy to configure--I had both networks cards and NAT setup in <em>> > > under 5 minutes after reading the OpenBSD FAQ. (Setting up networks <em>> > > cards under *BSD is similar to working with <em>> > > /etc/sysconf/network-scripts/ifcfg-* under RH Linux.) <em>> > > <em>> > > I'd say that if you are at all familiar with UNIX then setting up a <em>> > > OpenBSD (or FreeBSD) router is easier that doing the same under Linux. <em>> > > The syntax for ipfw or ipchains seems a bit contrived now that I've <em>> > > worked with /etc/ipnat.rules and /etc/ipf.rules. <em>> > > <em>> > > Next, I'll setup the firewall! <em>> > > <em>> > > Anyway, I'm running OpenBSD 2.5. For more information read <em>> > > http://www.openbsd.org. <em>> > > <em>> > > Regards, Dustin <em>> > > <em>> > > PS Package management is a kick in the pants as well. <em>> > > <em>> > > -- <em>> > > Dustin Puryear <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> <em>> > > In the beginning the Universe was created. <em>> > > This has been widely regarded as a bad move. <em>> > > - Douglas Adams <em>> > > ================================================ <em>> > > BRLUG - The Baton Rouge Linux User Group <em>> > > Visit http://www.brlug.net for more information. <em>> > > Send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] to change <em>> > > your subscription information. <em>> > > ================================================ <em>> > > <em>> > > ___________________________________________________________________________ <em>> > > Visit http://www.visto.com/info, your free web-based communications center. <em>> > > Visto.com. 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