People who run Windows usually trust Microsoft.  Assuming this, their
security model makes sense!  You can do anything you want on a computer by
using Microsoft tools and Microsoft software. (It will of course cost you
much more money than going to alternate vendors or using free software
however). You don't trust Microsoft, so the security model makes no sense to
you.  

I need to point something out about Debian's package management system --
and that is the ability to add non-debian package repositories to the APT
system.  

A good example of a problem with this model is with Ubuntu not having MP3
support by default...and forcing you to select outside package repositories
to download such things as libmikmod2 (required for XMMS if you have a
NVIDIA card, for example).  Do you manually walk through each .deb on your
system to ensure it doesn't have any exploits in it?

Andrew Baudouin
Applications Programmer
AWC, Incorporated
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-----Original Message-----
From: Will Hill [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Wednesday, December 22, 2004 7:19 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [brlug-general] How can I trust Firefox

On Tuesday 21 December 2004 08:16 am, Scott Harney wrote:
>
> Relevance of Torr's comments to Linux is that the distribution methodology
> for Firefox is similar to the way most OSS is distributed. 

What a poor choice of FUD Microsoft has chosen.  Their model of "trust" and 
distribution are so obviously inferior, you wonder how they have the nerve
to promote their methods.  When it comes to trust, the guys who publish
their 
code, don't arbitrarily limit my use of the software or make other obtuse 
demands obviously win.  For trust in software installs, Microsoft obviously 
losses.  What are they thinking?

My response to the distribution concern is remarkably similar to the M$ 
response, "one of the ways you can reduce the risks of getting unwanted 
software on your machine is to only accept digitally signed software from 
vendors that you trust."  I trust my distribution or I don't run it and my 
browser does not install software.  Debian is a great example.  Having 
everything pass through package maintainers who abide by a social contract 
assures me that every piece of software has been checked over by an honest 
person.  I can compare this to the non free world, where "reputable" 
companies have been caught using spyware, where no independent checks are 
possible, EULAs have demanded read write access to your hard drive and the 
track record for security is miserable.  All non free software represents a 
"random" risk, signed or not.   Free software does not have to be a risk at 
all.  Bill Gates himself can tell me that a piece of software is AOK, and I 
would not trust it.



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