It's Thunderbird... ;) You must be one of zem command-line usars???
Andrew -ray wrote: > > Sorry this is a rant, but my mail client doesn't "do" colors, so i > can't tell what you're quoting and what you're writing. Makes your > post very difficult to read. > > Whenever i can i encourage people to turn off html in their mail client. > >> From a security standpoint (spam, spyware, etc), html mail is more evil > > than IE. > > ray > > > On Sat, 24 Sep 2005, Andrew Baudouin wrote: > >> Will Hill wrote: >> >>>>> How do you suppose software developers should make a living? >>>>> >>>> how about selling support for the crappy software they write? >>>> bb >>>> >>>> >>> >>> The same way lawyers, doctors, engineers and just about everyone >>> else earns a living. They master a body of public knowledge and >>> apply it skillfully. Would you trust a lawyer who would not let you >>> see briefs submitted on your behalf? A doctor who would not let >>> anyone see his office or tell you what medicine you are taking? >>> What would you think of a doctor that discovered a new treatment and >>> then kept it secret? Most people are still outraged by behavior >>> like that. >> >> The analogy just isn't there. The software industry is not protected >> in the same manner that doctors and lawyers are. Besides, if I write >> a tool that eveyrone likes, even if it's closed source, everyone >> still gets to use it....just not for free-forever-and-always like RMS >> wants. Giving away code that took manhours to write is not >> supportive of any kind of industry whatsoever. Doctors and lawyers >> would quickly go out of business if their treatment methods and cases >> were freely reusable forever. >> >>> We're not talking about "developers" anyway. Most of them do earn >>> their pay just like any other professional. They solve problems for >>> their clients. Few of them suffer from intellectual retentiveness. >> >> I'm not giving away any code that I write for my company. Neither is >> my company. They have invested hundreds of thousands of dollars into >> me and my code. Why should people who have paid no money get to take >> what I've written and use all of it for their own ends? So I guess >> the company and I suffer from intellectual retentiveness. >> >>> The problem, for everyone, is big software and other publishers. >>> They buy and sell other people's work. They want to own the very >>> idea behind that work and keep real developers from being able to >>> compete. >> >> This isn't true. They own implementations of ideas. >> >> TiVo does not own a video time-shifting recorder device idea. They >> own their proprietary bolt-ons to the Linux base system and their >> implementations of hardware. >> >> Microsoft does not own "graphical user interface" operating systems. >> They own their particular implementation of what a GUI should look >> like according to the corporation which paid a bunch of people to >> develop it. >> >> >> >>> Run away copyright and patent laws will run developers out of the >>> market faster than free tools they can share and exploit. Big >>> publishers love the tools their retentive peers in the software >>> industry have come up with to eliminate customer choice, such as >>> "trusted computing" and "digital rights management". >>> >> This is a whole different ball of wax than what RMS is talking about. >> Trusted Computing prevents pirated software from being run and *may* >> prevent the Linux operating system from being run. (As an aside I >> refuse to believe the Taiwanese motherboard manufacturers will sell >> retail boxed motherboards and cpus that cannot have LInux installed >> on them) This has nothing to do with the ideal of "all software >> should be free" which is ridiculous IMHO. >> >>> You don't get more freaky and controlling than that. If the >>> freaks had their way, you still would not be able to attach your >>> 2400 baud modem to your phone line without paying a big fat >>> licensing fee. >> >> Again, whole different ball of wax. The government prevented that >> and should continue to prevent any abuses that exist. >> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> General mailing list >>> [email protected] >>> http://brlug.net/mailman/listinfo/general_brlug.net >>> >>> >> >> >
