I agree with all of Henri's comments below. Apache commons as a project has
nothing to offer Jakarta commons as far as I can see. In fact it has
disbenefits by
- 'stealing' a name already in use
- forcing cross-language issues when its just not useful

There is perhaps a case for a loose federation of commons-like projects
cross-language. But in reality I can't imagine who would actually be
interested.

So ATM, I can't see any reason why I would vote +1 to moving Jakarta Commons
into Apache Commons. Or perhaps I don't get a choice?

Stephen

From: "Henri Yandell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> So I'm thinking of raising the issue of moving over to Apache Commons to
> projects I am a committer on. I have to convince myself and others that it
> is a good thing. So why is it a good thing?
>
> It seems to me that if I assume the following to be true [from my point of
> view]:
>
> 1) Sharing a mailing list with other languages is not going to help me. It
> might help tomcat and httpd, but not the areas I'm involved in.
>
> If I were sharing with a C# set of programmers there might be some
> reuse/synergy, but as my particular area of charm is utility libraries
> that are missing from standard-java [ie JDK], then it's hard to see much
> linkage with C, tcl or perl [which are what I consider to be the other
> languages at Apache. PHP is, but I don't believe it to be that modular in
> build. Could easily be wrong. ].
>
> I've looked at APR to nick ideas for Java utilities. It really just
> doesn't map, there's so much noise of things that are low level, ie)
> memory management etc.
>
> Now, it would be nice to be able to go 'hmmmm.. what would be a nice
> algorithm for this search' etc, but that's pretty rare. Also a hard thing
> to do across language as people end up arguing about language.
>
> 2) Sharing a CVS module will be painful, that is, there is no benefit and
> some minor deficit. What do I get out of being in a cvs tree that means I
> have to check tons of stuff out that I don't use? [slightly bombastic, I
> can avoid checking it out with knowledge].
>
> 3) Sharing a website will be painful, that is, it will cost lots of effort
> and give little back.
>
> 4) Sharing a build-system will be impossible/painful. Same for a coding
> standard.
>
> Once those four axioms are accepted, there is no project community, and
> therefore no point for the apache-commons project? What else does
> Apache-commons offer?
>
>
> Now, if there are no other things on the bargaining table, then which ones
> of those are ones that Apache-Commons will _not_ budge on?
>
> Hen
>
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