--- Rodent of Unusual Size <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > all imho, and not directed at anyone in particular. > not even > morgan. :-) i am responding to what morgan said and > regarding > it as opinion held by n people, where i neither know > nor care > about the value nor composition of n. it doesn't > even matter > whether morgan (who posted it) is one of the n or > not; i'm > responding to the content, not the messenger(s). > > Morgan Delagrange wrote: > > > > Let me turn that around. Certainly, j-c people > have > > relevant experience on the "Commons"-style > approach. > > At what point in this process could we offer > advice on > > how should it be organized, what is the scope, who > > might be effective on the PMC? Our earliest > > opportunity was after the Board had already > approved > > the charter. In fact, we did not even know of its > > existence until that point. Not only does that > > substantially diminish our sense of involvement > and > > empowerment > > this is rehashing old ground and the horse is dead. > there > was a failure of communication; members/pmcs failed > to > trickle the word down in all directions. the > creation of > the community@ list was partially in response to > that, so > it won't happen again. so can we *please* stop > hearing about > how people were left out of the loop? yes, everyone > knows > that; yes, everyone is sorry that it happened; no, > it wasn't > deliberate nor malicious; and yes, steps have been > taken to > hopefully lower the probability of it happening > again. > complaining about it now, particularly since > corrective action > has been taken, is imnsho a waste of time. let's > get on with it.
[snip] Ken, I know that _you_ get it. I just want to make sure that the message is widely disseminated, because if not this situation will recur. Remember, I can't see what happens on the members list, so I don't know who's getting the message and who's not. (Also, it wasn't a non-sequitur. I think it's an appropriate answer to Greg's question.) In any case, I'll shut up now and hope that we're all on the same page. - Morgan ===== Morgan Delagrange http://jakarta.apache.org/taglibs http://jakarta.apache.org/commons http://axion.tigris.org http://jakarta.apache.org/watchdog __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Y! Web Hosting - Let the expert host your web site http://webhosting.yahoo.com/
