> From: Stephen McConnell [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: 25 October 2002 19:55

> Justin Erenkrantz wrote:
> 
> > --On Friday, October 25, 2002 12:58 PM +0200 Stephen McConnell 
> > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> >> PMC's have some things to dictate - license policy - voting policy
> >> - security policy - duspute resolution mechanisms.  The PMC could
> >> choose to use the Jakata policies with would be a good starting
> >> point.
> >
> >
> > The one thing I can be absolutely sure of is that this PMC will not be 
> > involved in disputes about code *ever*.  (No, I don't speak for the 
> > entire PMC.)  There will be no 'veto override' and 'veto of last 
> > resort' or any other such nonsense.  If dueling vetos exist, I 
> > couldn't care less what the PMC says - it's the job of the committers 
> > (and the relevant community) to duke it out.

+1

> I understand where your comming from and in 99.9% of the cases I think 
> your right.  However, following classic Jakarta rules provides for 
> deadlocks withing which a hell of a lot of strees can be placed on a 
> community.  Rules provide structure and a framework that enable rolution 
> of issues without resorting personal duke-it-out (and the associated 
> stress)  ...  I guess I see rules much more like the lines on a soccer 
> field - you know where your can go - you know what expected, whats' not 
> expected - makes for civilized communities :-)

No, the people in the community make it civilized, not the rules.
 
> > Whenever two committers get in a fight, they shouldn't be running to 
> > 'Mommy PMC' to solve their problems.  Namely because both of them will 
> > probably be on the PMC anyway.  So, it's not going to be that productive.
> 
> That's the negative way to look at a PMC - but its a majority view - 

It is?  Can that be attributed to the fact that the Jakarta PMC is a small
elected group?  Or is there another reason?

> maybe it should be renamed to PECker "Project Avangilization Club" - and 
> the members are there to make you sucessfull.  Yes I know a dozen people 
> and going to say no-way - but hey - everyone is allowed an opinion !

Sander

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