Hi Erik/Florent Thanks a lot for response and suggestions.
We are already using compiled schematron (XSLT) and schema (XSD) till now. we recently started using schemas from IMS Global and all of these are with embedded schematron. As the schema is always passing we thought all looks good but later we found that Online validation (IMS Global) and out validation is differs and found that schematron validation is enforced by Online version. So we started investigating the approaches, in this process we tried the suggestions and it's working with two step approach (extracting schematron and using the compiled XSLT). I was looking for information if there is an existing mechanism which I am not aware of using schematron embedded schema. I will go with our current approach of using the extracted -> compiled schematron which works well. Once again thanks for your time and suggestions. Regards, Gnana(GP) -----Original Message----- From: Erik Hennum [mailto:erik.hen...@marklogic.com] Sent: 11 May 2016 14:14 To: MarkLogic Developer Discussion; Bodireddy, Gnanaprakash (Cognizant) Subject: RE: [MarkLogic Dev General] Regarding compilation of schema for validation Hi, Gnana: Can you explain why it's necessary to validate against XSD using a single-step XSLT as opposed to a two-step approach that validates against the XSD using an XQuery validate expression and then validates against the Schematron rules that supplement the XSD using XSLT? While it's possible, it's not a given that validating an XSD with templates in a single-step XSLT will be faster than the two-step approach. A built-in validate expression might validate an XSD faster than XSLT can process the equivalent templates, even excluding the XSLT invocation startup costs. The only way to be sure would be to code up some templates for a representative schema and quantify the benefits. As Florent pointed out, you would need to generate the XSLT in advance instead of on request to out perform the two-step approach. If you decide to go the conversion route, you could try to use the sc:* library to parse the XSD. Supporting all of the nuances of XSD (for instance, type restriction and substitution groups) would require a ton of work. If you do determine that a single XSLT step is optimal, given the complexity allowed by XSD, you might be better off simply writing all of the rules in Schematron instead of trying to converting an XSD to XSLT. Erik Hennum ________________________________________ From: general-boun...@developer.marklogic.com [general-boun...@developer.marklogic.com] on behalf of Florent Georges [li...@fgeorges.org] Sent: Wednesday, May 11, 2016 5:46 AM To: MarkLogic Developer Discussion; gnanaprakash.bodire...@cognizant.com Subject: Re: [MarkLogic Dev General] Regarding compilation of schema for validation Hi, The standard for Schematron (ISO 19757-3) does not define how to embed it within W3C XML Schema. This is something *you* (your project, your company) use. That makes perfect sense, but you have to define how it is done, and how to treat it. Especially for corner cases like imports, etc. I would suggest you try and formalize how you embed Schematron rules into XML Schemas at "Your Project (c)". What's allowed, what's not. If the schemas are known at deployment, I would also strongly advise to compile them to Schematron (extract the rules out of the XML Schemas), and probably even to compile them to XSLT stylesheet at build time. So you can apply them directly, as there is no need to compile them every time you use them if they are static. Regards, -- Florent Georges http://fgeorges.org/ http://h2oconsulting.be/ On 11 May 2016 at 11:43, ? wrote: > Thanks Florent Georges > > It helps a lot as we can extract the schematron and compile and use it. > > I am looking for any out of the box solution which can do it without > extracting the schematron from schema. I understand schema and schematron are > 2 different concepts but as we are now having schematron embedded in Schema > and trying to understand how best we can validate this. > > Also I am looking at what if schema (with schematron) is importing other > schemas (with schematron). Schema validation will work without issues as they > are referring to other schemas but schematron I am not sure how it works. > > Regards, > Gnana(GP) > > -----Original Message----- > From: fgeor...@gmail.com [mailto:fgeor...@gmail.com] On Behalf Of > Florent Georges > Sent: 11 May 2016 10:15 > To: MarkLogic Developer Discussion; Bodireddy, Gnanaprakash > (Cognizant) > Subject: Re: [MarkLogic Dev General] Regarding compilation of schema > for validation > > On 10 May 2016 at 21:46, ? wrote: > > Hi, > >> If a schema is having a schematron with in it. Is there any way we >> can validate both schema and schematron rules against an XML document? > > Have you seen my response yesterday? Have you tried it? It should fulfill > exactly that need. > > Regards, > > -- > Florent Georges > http://fgeorges.org/ > http://h2oconsulting.be/ > This e-mail and any files transmitted with it are for the sole use of the > intended recipient(s) and may contain confidential and privileged > information. 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