One of our earliest projects in NYCJUG was a Basic/J "Rosetta Stone".  It
never got very far but the idea is that Basic and its variants are
widely-understood, so this might provide a starting point for people
unfamiliar with J.

The little bit of elaboration we did on this can be found here:
www.jsoftware.com/jwiki/NYCJUG/2008-03-11 .  Looking at it now, it seems
perhaps too digressive but may be helpful to someone encountering J for the
first time.


On Sun, Feb 9, 2014 at 8:51 PM, Jim Russell <[email protected]> wrote:

> (Sorry, I got no further than "No," when I put my iphone back in my shirt
> pocket and "man boob" sent it.)
>
> More later when I try to recall all the dumb words phrases I was
> fruitlessly trying to find as I played with J on my iPhone this past week.
>
> > On Feb 9, 2014, at 8:22 PM, Raul Miller <[email protected]> wrote:
> >
> > Do you mean like http://www.jsoftware.com/help/dictionary/vocabul.htm?
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > --
> > Raul
> >
> >
> >> On Sun, Feb 9, 2014 at 7:06 PM, Jim Russell <[email protected]>
> wrote:
> >> I suspect that a glossary of J (and related programming terms) would
> help a great deal. Or does one exist?
> >>
> >>> On Feb 9, 2014, at 1:30 AM, Skip Cave <[email protected]> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> I was looking over NuVoc the other day, and thinking how it helped me
> learn
> >>> the J primitives. My next thought was how I wished that we could fix
> the J
> >>> search engine so that when newbies searched for stuff in the J wiki
> using
> >>> traditional programming lingo, they would automatically find the J
> >>> equivalent functions.
> >>>
> >>> When J gave new names to all the J programming elements, it was all for
> >>> good reasons. However that made it really hard to learn J by searching
> the
> >>> wiki for programming concepts, using common programming names. When I
> am
> >>> programming in J, I often come to a point where I know what I want to
> do,
> >>> and I know what most other programming languages would call what I
> want to
> >>> do. If I search for that name in the J wiki though, I usually come up
> >>> empty-handed.
> >>>
> >>> What we really need in NuVoc, as well as all of the J doc, is a set of
> >>> common-use keywords attached to every J concept. Thus if a newbie
> searches
> >>> for "assignment", he will get the vocabulary and dictionary pages for
>  Is
> >>> (local) and Is (global), When he searches for "indexing" he will get
> the
> >>> Catalog pages. I could go on like this for quite awhile.
> >>>
> >>> Also  when newbies or anyone stumbles upon a new concept in any of the
> J
> >>> doc, we should make it easy for that person to add new keywords to
> that doc
> >>> page. Hopefully the keywords they add will make it easier for the next
> >>> person to find that concept in the future.
> >>>
> >>> So my proposal is that each NuVoc page (and all J doc pages for that
> >>> matter) needs a list of keywords at (say) the bottom of the page,
> giving
> >>> common programming names for the J concept on that page. In that way, a
> >>> newbie searching for "assignment" would at least have a chance of
> finding
> >>> what he is looking for.
> >>>
> >>> However, my idea is more that just putting a list of keywords on every
> doc
> >>> page, As has been discussed on the J mail list, Newbies who are trying
> to
> >>> learn J, know what they are looking for, when they search for a
> particular
> >>> concept. What If we could make it so when someone finally does find
> what
> >>> they were looking for, they could easily add words to the keyword list
> on
> >>> the doc page they found. They could add the words that they were using
> to
> >>> (unsuccessfully) search for that concept. Then each doc page would
> start to
> >>> collect keywords that people commonly use for that concept, making it
> much
> >>> easier for newbies (and even casual J user oldies like me) to find that
> >>> concept in the future.
> >>>
> >>> There needs to be an easy (but controlled, and perhaps curated) way to
> put
> >>> a new keyword on any doc page, while that page is being viewed. There
> needs
> >>> to be a brief statement above the keyword block explaining what it is,
> how
> >>> to add a keyword, and why one should do it.
> >>>
> >>> I believe that in the long run, this keyword scheme could have a bigger
> >>> impact on reducing the "steep learning curve" of J than almost any
> other
> >>> documentation mechanism.
> >>>
> >>> Skip
> >>>
> >>> Skip Cave
> >>> Cave Consulting LLC
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