IMO top level menu should refer to something built in qt ide. But studio
labs and showcase are not part of qt ide and those addons are optional.

OTOH labs and most packages are already included in the base install so
that they are always installed even someone does not need them.
On Sep 11, 2015 2:07 AM, "Ian Clark" <[email protected]> wrote:

> "Normal use" for me invariably means referring to sample code.
> Especially when using addons, i.e. all the time.
>
> I think you had it right with j602.
>
> On Thu, Sep 10, 2015 at 6:00 PM, chris burke <[email protected]> wrote:
> > The intention was that Help is for learning about J and all other top
> level
> > menus for normal use of J.
> >
> > On 10 September 2015 at 09:35, Ian Clark <[email protected]> wrote:
> >
> >> > I imagine we should blame OSX's user interface guidelines for that
> >> change.
> >>
> >> @Raul - the Apple guidelines are just that: guidelines.
> >>
> >> Apple believes in Helps like kamikaze pilots believed in parachutes.
> >> I'd like to see the old "Studios" menu back. To me, Studios are part
> >> of the IDE, not the Help system.
> >>
> >> On Thu, Sep 10, 2015 at 2:19 PM, Raul Miller <[email protected]>
> >> wrote:
> >> > You can find Labs under the Help -> Studio menu.
> >> >
> >> > I imagine we should blame OSX's user interface guidelines for that
> >> change.
> >> >
> >> > Note that some labs are still best run under J602. (And at least some
> >> > of that is my fault.)
> >> >
> >> > Thanks,
> >> >
> >> > --
> >> > Raul
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > On Thu, Sep 10, 2015 at 8:50 AM, Jim Adams <[email protected]> wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> I’ve been retired for 15 years and have been away from J for about
> ten
> >> of those years.  Now I would like to use it again for simulations to
> test
> >> some theories.
> >> >>
> >> >> Years ago, I used APL*PLUS and APL2 on mainframe computers.  Then I
> >> used J with no problems on a couple of PCs running Microsoft and then
> on an
> >> Apple Mac Mini.  The PCs are gone and the Mac Mini is now defunct,
> perhaps
> >> due to a lightning surge.  I believe I was running J602 on that computer
> >> ten years ago, or whenever.
> >> >>
> >> >> Now I have a late 2013 model Apple iMac (2.9 GHz Intel Core i5)
> running
> >> OS X Yosemite Version 10.10.5 (the latest version).
> >> >>
> >> >> I have no idea what has been the impetus behind your recent J803 and
> >> J804.  Was it to support mobile devices?  I have installed JQt and
> Jconsole
> >> on my computer but see no Labs.  In order to get back into using J, I
> would
> >> like to refresh myself via the Labs.  What is the latest version of J
> >> supporting Labs?  Should that version work with my current computer and
> >> operating system?  Should I try to get J602 running, since that suited
> my
> >> needs previously?
> >> >>
> >> >> Thank you for any tips you can give me.  I’m feeling stymied.
> >> >>
> >> >> Jim Adams
> >> >>
> >> >>
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