Thanks for this, Raul. I have seen a litany of complaints about systemd on /. over the years but it's good to see the problems with it laid out like this.
On Mon, Feb 24, 2020 at 9:05 AM Raul Miller <[email protected]> wrote: > It's probably worth noting that for many purposes, devuan -- > https://devuan.org/ -- is an alternative to debian. > > I don't think they explained the systemd issue well enough, so here's > a few high points (or... low points). Some of these may have been at > least partially addressed, but it's been dreary: > > (*) Systemd is not modular, and replaces most of the linux infrastructure. > (*) Systemd (and dbus) is poorly documented. > (*) Systemd breaks compatibility with various internet standards. > (*) The systemd boot process is non-deterministic, and can > intermittently fail to boot for people who reconfigure it. > > It should be possible to fix all of these issues. But poor > documentation slows everything down. (The systemd developer has, in > the past, mostly simply stated that these are not problems.) > > Anyways... another alternative that I've messed around with a little > is OpenBSD. J needs a few things changed for that environment, but it > wasn't too bad when I was trying that. > > Thanks, > > -- > Raul > > On Sun, Feb 23, 2020 at 2:58 PM Bill Harris <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > Devon, > > > > FWIW, I've used Debian Stable (https://debian.org) for >10 years. I > trade > > off bleeding-edge software versions for stability. > > > > I have used Debian Unstable (aka Sid). It is bleeding edge, but I don't > > recall having many problems with it, and those that did occur tended to > get > > fixed quickly. Then again, that was perhaps 10+ years ago, and my memory > > of that is probably not too accurate. > > > > I explicitly don't use Debian Testing anymore. I tried it once and ran > > into the problem I had read about: > > > > > > - I encountered a bug (happened to be with grub, so booting became > > problematic IIRC). > > - Debian fixed it rather rapidly and put the fix into a 2-week(?) > > testing period in Sid. > > - It failed--more than once, IIRC, resetting the 2-week testing period > > each time. > > - After multiple weeks, I finally got a working grub. > > > > I can't promise they still have the same process. > > > > With Sid, I would have gotten a fix immediately. The first two or so > would > > have failed, but the last one would have come my way without the two week > > wait. > > > > With Stable, I wouldn't have seen anything until the new, tested, working > > code was there. > > > > Have you seen https://distrowatch.com/? > > > > Bill > > > > > > On Sun, Feb 23, 2020 at 9:53 AM Devon McCormick <[email protected]> > wrote: > > > > > Hi - does anyone have a recommendation of a good flavor of Linux > (includes > > > MacOS) or a warning about the same? > > > > > > I'm interested in trying out Shakti which is a new version of K but > it's > > > not available on Windows. > > > > > > I mostly care about being able to run emacs which I assume is not a > issue > > > for any *nix. > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > Devon > > > -- > > > > > > Devon McCormick, CFA > > > > > > Quantitative Consultant > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > For information about J forums see http://www.jsoftware.com/forums.htm > > > > > > > > > -- > > Bill Harris > > http://makingsense.facilitatedsystems.com/ > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > For information about J forums see http://www.jsoftware.com/forums.htm > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > For information about J forums see http://www.jsoftware.com/forums.htm > -- Devon McCormick, CFA Quantitative Consultant ---------------------------------------------------------------------- For information about J forums see http://www.jsoftware.com/forums.htm
