I've done some minor surgery on the Vocabulary/Constants page. It's a bit crude, but I hope my changes would assist likely readers.
Thanks, -- Raul On Sun, Oct 24, 2021 at 5:02 AM Martin Kreuzer <[email protected]> wrote: > > Dear all - > > About four years ago, I started this project > 'Vocabulary/Constants' for I have felt a need to > collect all those forum sprinkles (and gems) at a > central place where they could be easily found, > in a more more concise manner. My intention has > been to provide a solid starting base for > seasened newbies like me from where to explore further. > > Due to severe health problems I wasn't able to > contribute in regular intervals any more as my > capacity to concentrate on stuff dwindeled. > (During all that time I have [however silently] followed forum activities.) > > Since a couple of month I am slowly getting > better. But still not to a stage to presently > tackle complete sections like 'Foreign Bases (b)' > and others which are still missing. As Raul aptly > pointed out, the page looks like it needs a lot of work. > > As for the section 'Further Reading', yes, the > stub there has been a placeholder for pointers to > more in-depth treatments of the subject, and I > guess it is high time to get it replaced with the > links suggested. (To have links concentrated here > might even help to incorporate part of their > content more easily in the future.) > > Thank you all for your help over the last years. > > -M > > At 2021-10-23 12:58, you wrote: > > >I was just about to say that, Henry. > > > >Ancillary pages are intended to be linked from multiple NuVoc pages. I > >thought there might be a need for a new one to address the matter of this > >thread. But [[Vocabulary/Constants]] > > https://code.jsoftware.com/wiki/Vocabulary/Constants > >seems to be its natural home for now. > > > >Note that the last section: > > https://code.jsoftware.com/wiki/Vocabulary/Constants#Further_reading > >promises to answer Raul's question, but links to a missing page …or is it a > >placeholder? > > > >Some NuVocc pages link into Pipermail, as a temporary measure, until someone > >has the time to draw threads together. > >For forum members who haven't used Pipermail, the link to the present > >thread is: > > https://www.jsoftware.com/pipermail/general/2021-October/038701.html > > > >On Sat, 23 Oct 2021 at 13:44, Henry Rich <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > Constants > > > > > Henry Rich > > > > > On Sat, Oct 23, 2021, 2:03 PM Raul Miller <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > I guess the question is: which wiki page should this be documented in? > > > > > > > > (If it's not already -- I guess another question is what should I > > > > search on to attempt to find such documentation?) > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > > > -- > > > > Raul > > > > > > > > On Sat, Oct 23, 2021 at 5:44 AM Henry Rich <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > You might have a point, but I don't think it's worth taking the risk > > > > > of > > > > > breaking existing code to make the change. If you want a float, add a > > > > > decimal point. > > > > > > > > > > Numbers close to IMAX are always troublesome because of tolerance. > > > > > > > > > > Henry Rich > > > > > > > > > > On 10/23/2021 4:13 AM, ethiejiesa via General wrote: > > > > > > The issue I find surprising is that integer literals in the range > > > > > > 16b8000000000000000 to 16b80000000000004ff, i.e. INT_MAX+1 to > > > > INT_MAX+1024, all > > > > > > parse into the integer precision 9223372036854775807, i.e. INT_MAX. > > > > This is not > > > > > > the same thing as (<:2^63) which has floating precision. > > > > > > > > > > > > My expectation was that non-exact representations for (2^63x) and > > > > above--- > > > > > > e.g. 16b8000000000000000---would parse into floating precision > > > numbers. > > > > > > > > > > > > As it stands, this means that integer precision values equal to > > > > > > 16b7fffffffffffffff cannot be trusted and must be handled specially, > > > as > > > > > > demonstrated nicely in Raul's examples below. > > > > > > > > > > > > Henry Rich <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > >> 16b8000000000000401 cannot be exactly represented. There is a band > > > > of floats near 2^63 that are converted to (<:2^63). > > > > > >> > > > > > >> Henry Rich > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> On 10/23/2021 1:42 AM, Raul Miller wrote: > > > > > >>> I do not see why I should expect these to be the same number: > > > > > >>> > > > > > >>> 2^.92233720368547768323 > > > > > >>> 66.3219 > > > > > >>> 2^.16b8000000000000401 > > > > > >>> 63 > > > > > >>> > > > > > >>> One is larger than can be represented using a 64 bit integer, and > > > so > > > > > >>> > > > > > >>> datatype 92233720368547768323 > > > > > >>> floating > > > > > >>> > > > > > >>> That said, I do think that there's a problem with the other one. > > > That > > > > > >>> one is also larger than can be represented using a 64 bit signed > > > > > >>> integer: > > > > > >>> > > > > > >>> (2^63x)-16b8000000000000401 > > > > > >>> 1 > > > > > >>> (2^63x)-16b8000000000000000 > > > > > >>> 1 > > > > > >>> (2^63x)-16b7fffffffffffffff > > > > > >>> 1 > > > > > >>> > > > > > >>> So there's a certain range of numbers here which get treated ... > > > > oddly. > > > > > >>> > > > > > >>> Thanks, > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > > For information about J forums see > > > http://www.jsoftware.com/forums.htm > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > This email has been checked for viruses by AVG. > > > > > https://www.avg.com > > > > > > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > For information about J forums see http://www.jsoftware.com/forums.htm > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > For information about J forums see http://www.jsoftware.com/forums.htm > > > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > For information about J forums see http://www.jsoftware.com/forums.htm > > > >---------------------------------------------------------------------- > >For information about J forums see http://www.jsoftware.com/forums.htm > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > For information about J forums see http://www.jsoftware.com/forums.htm ---------------------------------------------------------------------- For information about J forums see http://www.jsoftware.com/forums.htm
