Expressions that return verbs create those error messages even though verb is still returned from expression (if not assigned)
+/ %F # (from linked playground) On Monday, March 28, 2022, 09:15:25 p.m. EDT, Raul Miller <rauldmil...@gmail.com> wrote: Hmm... We could probably do with a denser way of expressing code. (I can think of several possibilities here.) But, also, I ran into a problem testing this: mean =: +/ means % (007) noun result was required (007) noun result was required meang =: */ means (%:~) (007) noun result was required (007) noun result was required meanh =: +/@:% means (%~) (007) noun result was required (007) noun result was required FYI, -- Raul On Mon, Mar 28, 2022 at 7:40 PM 'Pascal Jasmin' via General <gene...@jsoftware.com> wrote: > > very cool J playground process. The editor functionality. > > An interesting difference with .ijs files is that it is actually a sequence > of console commands. Which I agree with as more shareable. A way to add > "descriptive comments" to a console session is with the Note command or NB. > > works with 9.03 features (example permalink) > > > https://jsoftware.github.io/j-playground/bin/html/emj.html#code=cocurrent%20'z'%0D%0AisNoun%20%3D%3A%20(0%20%3D%204!%3A0%20%3A%3A0%3A)%40%3A%3C%0D%0Aisgerund%20%3D%3A%200%3A%60(0%20-.%40e.%203%20%3A%20('y%20(5!%3A0)'%3B'1')%220)%40.(0%20%3C%20L.)%20%3A%3A%200%3A%0D%0Aar%20%3D%3A%201%20%3A%20'5!%3A1%20%3C''u'''%0D%0Aari%20%3D%3A%201%20%3A%20'if.%20isNoun%20''u''%20do.%20if.%20(isgerund%20-.%40%2B.%20''''%20-%3A%20%5D)%20m%20do.%20m%20ar%20else.%20m%20end.%20else.u%20ar%20end.'%0D%0Ati%20%3D%3A%20ari%20%60%20ari%20%20NB.%20different%20from%20doubleadverb2.ijs%3A%20''%20is%20passed%20to%20%60%20.%20boxed%20non%20gerund%20is%20ar'd%20ie%20a%3A%60u%0D%0AF0%20%3D%3A%201%20%3A%20'u%20ti%20ti%20%60%3A%206'%0D%0Av2c%20%3D%3A%201%20%3A%20'%5B.%20u%20%5D.'%0D%0AF1%20%3D%3A%201%20%3A%20'(ti%20u)%20ti%20(''''ti)%20%60%3A6'%0D%0AF2%20%3D%3A%201%20%3A%20'ti%20ti%20u%20%60%3A%206'%0D%0A%0D%0AF01%20%3D%3A%20((ti%20(2%20%3A%20'ti')))(%60%3A6)%0D%0AF02%20%3D%3A%202%20%3A%20'(u%60)(%60v)(%60%3A6)'%0D%0AF02%20%3D%3A%20(%20(%5B.(2%20%3A%20'ti'))%20(2%20%3A%20'ti'%20%5D.)%20)%20(%60%3A6)%20%0D%0AF12%20%3D%3A%20(2%20%3A%20'ti'%20%20ti)%20%60%3A%206%0D%0A%0D%0AF%20%3D%3A%20F12%20NB.%20chosen%20for%20composition%20consistency%2C%20but%20F1%20still%20very%20useful%0D%0A%0D%0A%20amend%20%3D%3A%20%5B%60%20(%5B.%20%60%20ar)%20%60%7B%60%5D%20%60%3A%206%20%60%20(%5D.%22_)%20%60%5D%20%7D~~%0D%0A%0D%0A%20NB.%20means%20from%20partial%20modifiers%0D%0A%0D%0A%20means%20%3D%3A%20%23F2%0D%0A%20mean%20%3D%3A%20%2B%2F%20means%20%25%0D%0A%20meang%20%3D%3A%20*%2F%20means%20(%25%3A~)%0D%0A%20meanh%20%3D%3A%20%2B%2F%40%3A%25%20means%20(%25~) > > > > > > > On Monday, March 28, 2022, 02:53:07 p.m. EDT, 'robert therriault' via General > <gene...@jsoftware.com> wrote: > > > > > > Link to video should be https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W_f7wUILcoc > > Cheers, bob > > > On Mar 28, 2022, at 11:42, 'robert therriault' via General > > <gene...@jsoftware.com> wrote: > > > > J Wiki Group meeting of March 24, 2022 > > > > Present: Art Anger, Raul Miller, Bob Therriault > > > > The meeting began with a short discussion about the J playground > > https://jsoftware.github.io/j-playground/bin/html/emj.html which continues > > to improve as bugs are reported and removed. Since none of the J playground > > workers were present, we decided to defer the discussion about whether it > > should have an independent development path. The consensus among those > > present was that independence would be beneficial, since the J Playground's > > developers did not need to be concerned with many of the challenges faced > > by the wiki. > > > > Next, we discussed Raul's porting of the J help information from Jsoftware > > to the wiki https://code2.jsoftware.com/mediawiki/index.php/Help . Raul > > reported that Chris Burke would prefer that the vocabulary document remain > > on the Jsoftware site, as it is a legacy document. Bob suggested that for > > the legacy purposes help components could remain on the Jsoftware site, but > > that the information that they contained should be ported to the wiki > > because it would be of most use on the wiki where it could be updated > > https://code2.jsoftware.com/mediawiki/index.php/Help/Phrases/Phrases_Contents > > . Raul also mentioned that the Release Notes pages had been organized by > > their associated versions which made navigation and selection of the > > information much easier. Also, he had been able to create a template so > > that pages were more consistent in their ported state. Bob suggested also > > including categories of the review state of the page would be useful to > > track verification of the ported pages. Bob also mentioned a template would > > be useful for establishing categories during the construction of new wiki > > pages and Raul said that if a checklist could be developed that he would > > take a run at incorporating it into the prototype wiki pages that he had > > developed. Raul concluded with the notice that these tests were being done > > with the prototype wiki because each time that the pages were ported they > > overwrote the previous pages and that this would overwriting could be > > dangerous on the working wiki. This means that, although members are > > encouraged to explore the prototype wiki, any changes made there should be > > considered temporary. Lasting changes should only be made on the current > > working wiki. > > > > Bob discussed the recent videohttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W_f7wUILcoc > > promoting the J playground and noted that it had already generated some > > positive response and some valuable comments. The next video would > > highlight the work that Raul had done on the porting of the help system as > > many of those pages are not well known, but contain valuable information > > that may be organized in more effective ways on the wiki. > > > > Then a discussion about ways of attracting more people to the project was > > undertaken. As it is, the group working on the wiki have a great deal of > > influence in its development, but because the wiki is to be of use to a > > more general audience, greater diversity would result in a better fit to > > that audience. This evolved into a discussion of how to increase the appeal > > of J on a wider scale. Raul suggested some type of support for teachers who > > may want to use J for their students. Bob pointed out that, although this > > would be a very good approach in delivering J to a wider audience, it would > > probably need a separate development team, not unlike the one proposed for > > the J Playground. Ian Clark in correspondence had suggested that using a > > generalist committee to direct specialist tasks would be one approach for > > the J Wiki group, the other one being a (benevolent) dictator. The > > committee approach would take longer to get started, but should be able to > > function better in the long run. The current slow growth and the rapid > > progress that the specialists have made in porting the help section and the > > J playground suggests we are on the generalist committee path and that we > > should keep working to attract members from diverse backgrounds. If you are > > interested, please consider letting us know on the general forum, so that > > we can link you into future meetings. > > > > The meeting ended with a discussion initiated by Art asking about whether > > there was any ability to include a back button on the wiki navigation. Raul > > suggested that the browser back button was the best option because > > otherwise a history of wiki browsing would have to be provided dynamically. > > Bob suggested a bread crumb list that would be static and could guide the > > user into the structure of the wiki. An alternative is to have the links > > activate new tabs at certain key points in the search, allowing you to jump > > back to a previous section and restart the search from there. There are > > many choices in the way to do wiki navigation and as we move towards a > > method it will also be important to provide directions so that users can > > make better use of the wiki tools. > > > > Reports of past J wiki Meeting may be found here: > > https://code.jsoftware.com/wiki/Wiki_Development > > > > Responses to this email should be made on the general forum only. > > > > Cheers, bob > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > For information about J forums see http://www.jsoftware.com/forums.htm > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > For information about J forums see http://www.jsoftware.com/forums.htm > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > For information about J forums see http://www.jsoftware.com/forums.htm ---------------------------------------------------------------------- For information about J forums see http://www.jsoftware.com/forums.htm ---------------------------------------------------------------------- For information about J forums see http://www.jsoftware.com/forums.htm
