Good idea, will do. Thanks! On Nov 1, 2011, at 3:58 PM, Brian Bockelman wrote:
> Thanks for the explanation Arun! > > Can this explanation be added to the project page: > > http://hadoop.apache.org/bylaws.html > > It seems that Hadoop differs a bit from how HTTP does this; would be worth > documenting. For example, the HTTP page Owen links says this: > > "Once the release has reached the highest-available designation (as deemed by > the RM), the release can be moved to the httpd distribution directory on > apache.org" > > However, it seems that even the alpha and beta quality releases are > distributed as widely as the stable ones. HTTP also uses the phrases > "alpha", "beta", and "general availability" while Hadoop uses "alpha", > "beta", and "stable". > > When I go through the project webpage (http://hadoop.apache.org/), I don't > see any branding to indicate the current stability until a couple of clicks > in (http://hadoop.apache.org/common/releases.html). Even then, it's the > second page in and not very distinguished (took me a few minutes to actually > find it when I was looking for it). A little bit of marketing would go a > long way here to get folks to avoid 0.21, for example. > > Thanks! > > Brian > > On Nov 1, 2011, at 5:45 PM, Arun C Murthy wrote: > >> Hey Brian, >> >> As Owen mentioned, we typically 'promote' a release to be stable after it's >> deemed to be stable. As a result, we can't change the bits and hence we >> don't have alpha/beta tags for release versions. >> >> Arun >> >> On Nov 1, 2011, at 5:07 AM, Brian Bockelman wrote: >> >>> Hi Arun, >>> >>> (Changed the subject line, as I seem to recall that we are not supposed to >>> have discussion in a voting thread) >>> >>> Dumb question perhaps, but why call it "0.23.0" instead of "0.23.0-alpha1" >>> if it is distinctly alpha quality? >>> >>> I've seen lots of folks on the support list who are obviously in over their >>> head because they started with the latest release posted on the webpage, >>> regardless of whether the project considered it a stable release. By >>> adding "-alpha1", it's still available to upstream projects but ought to >>> scare away the inexperienced. >>> >>> Thanks, >>> >>> Brian >>> >>> On Nov 1, 2011, at 4:47 AM, Arun C Murthy wrote: >>> >>>> I've created a release candidate for hadoop-0.23.0 that I would like to >>>> release. >>>> >>>> It is available at: http://people.apache.org/~acmurthy/hadoop-0.23.0-rc0/ >>>> >>>> hadoop-0.23 has significant new features: HDFS Federation and NextGen >>>> MapReduce being the highlights. >>>> >>>> It's also very early in the 0.23 life-cycle and the release is distinctly >>>> 'alpha' quality and is not intended to be stable release right-away. The >>>> plan is to deploy this to smallish (500+ nodes) clusters and to start >>>> hardening it. This should also help downstream projects (Pig, Hive, HBase) >>>> start testing against the 0.23 line. Expect to see more bug-fix releases >>>> of the branch-0.23 in the forthcoming weeks (0.23.1 etc.) >>>> >>>> Please try the release and vote; the vote will run for the usual 7 days. >>>> >>>> thanks, >>>> Arun >>> >
