Cliff Schmidt wrote:
It sounds like people involved with the project are happy with the user community and the process being followed by the Derby committers, and it's great they've added a committer since starting Incubation.
However, the committer diversity issue has been raised as an issue by at least a couple folks. While it looks like they meet the requirement to have committers from at least three independent organizations (I believe Noel and Jeremy are the two who are independent from IBM), the other question that has been asked of projects requesting graduation is:
If a single vendor/individual was to drop their contribution for some
reason, is there sufficient independent community to continue the
project?
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Derby is a special case IMO. Unlike most incubating projects with developing codebases it is stable, and immediately usable. Users will flock to it rapidly. Although counter intuitive I think IBM committers should backoff a bit and stop fixing bugs or adding new features for some reasonable period of time. The source is out there. People will try to "scratch that itch" but they need a chance to do that. Committers should wait for perspective committers to approach them with a patch. They should be there to review patches on issues, applying them if they are sound while coaching contributors. Eventually the committer base will develope but not without some pain. If the current committers from IBM do too good of a job then this will prevent others from submitting patches and getting involved.
Furthermore, IMHO doubt IBM is going to abandon such a generous donation to the ASF.
There are more important issues with graduation as Roy just pointed out with his veto. I think once these technicalities are settled this project is ready. The DB PMC must then deal with growing the committer base and there's no doubt about this; their tactics to do so are the only things that remain unknown.
Alex
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