Brian, As the Champion for this proposal, I'd like to move this on to a vote. I just read all the related posts one more time, and I believe your concern below is the only one that hasn't been directly addressed (if I'm wrong about this, someone speak up). So, I want to offer my thoughts on it and you can tell me if there is more to discuss before voting. Otherwise, I'll probably start the vote within the next 12-24 hours, unless there are other concerns that pop up.
See below. Cliff On 7/31/06, Brian McCallister <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
I am still uncomfortable with the AMQP spec ownership and process for two reasons. 1) The pessimistic and defensive one: Entering incubation at Apache implies Apache's endorsement. This is not what we mean, but it is how the world will react. This endorsement is partly the point of the proposal -- getting the ASF behind AMQP will give it a boost, and incubation is still not well understood, even inside the ASF :-(
I don't see this as being different from any proposal that comes to the Incubator that wants to implement something other than a broadly accepted standard. We often get proposals for things based on some vendor's previously proprietary software. Sometimes the proposal includes committers employed by a couple independent companies; in this case, there are 3-4 employers. I definitely think we need to be careful about these projects, which is why I've always been a big fan of strong incubator branding. However, I do completely understand your concern about the ASF giving AMQP a boost too early. So, while there may be some boost from it getting incubation status at Apache (which we have to weigh up with all new projects), your concern is the same thing that makes me hesitant to advocate that the ASF should join the AMQP spec group. It would provide easy participation for ASF committers to the spec work, but it could also be a big endorsement that I don't think we should be giving to this group at this stage. I get the impression that Carl and the others would be happy to have the ASF; I'm just not sure it's the right decision for us...but none of this makes me thing this project should not be accepted for incubation. Do you feel differently? Cliff --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
