Justin

I understand your concerns. However, we have switched our model, based
on feedback from the Incubator PMC, and for *our* project, it has been
negative rather than positive. I'm not trying to make a general point,
as I only have one data point.

I don't believe we've ever had the problems you mention, but its good
to be aware of potential problems, and I, for one, will be vigilant.

Paul

On 10/10/06, Justin Erenkrantz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
On 10/10/06, Paul Fremantle <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 1) we log the chats to the dev list (yes I know we always did)
> 2) If we have any proposals in the chats we explicitly send these out
> as separate notes and follow up in email to make any decisions. In
> other words the IRC chats are not formal decision making forums
> (fora?) but there to stimulate discussion.
> 3) we choose a time that is as convenient as possible to all our
> global contributors.

This is an extremely fine line to walk, so you must be prepared to be
vigilant about ensuring that you don't present the IRC discussions as
a fait accompli - and permit a true and honest discussion on-list.
All decisions need to happen on the list, or it is as if the decision
didn't occur.

Some projects in the past went through the motions you listed here,
but didn't allow discussions to happen: it was presented as more of a
"here's what we decided" instead of "here's what we're thinking of
doing, what do you think?"  And, it may even put people off just by
tone - even if you say the right words, others may get frustrated if
they can't attend the IRC meetings as it seems that their input is not
valued.

So, I'd urge against IRC chats, but if you're careful, it can work.  -- justin

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