On 11/9/06, Don Brown <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
What exactly makes something a part of the "official" ASF infrastructure? I thought it was that a member of Infrastructure had volunteered to maintain it, and if that's the case, Confluence is indeed a part of the "official" ASF infrastructure since I, as a member of ASF and Infrastructure, have volunteered to maintain it.
Utterly +1, cwiki/confluence is a part of infra afaict. Personally, I think it should be on Nagios and on the machine/services pages. From what people are saying it needs to be on Nagios more so than other things :)
From my perspective, the problem is that the infrastructure team only supports tools that they themselves use. What a project wants to use something different, they are on their own. Therefore the solution to that is to have volunteers who are familiar with the new tools join Infrastructure and help out. Struts, and a lot of other ASF projects, have found Confluence to be a very helpful tool, so seeing that no one was really maintaining the Confluence instance, I volunteered to keep it up. Infrastructure is always looking for volunteers, so get involved and make it happen.
There are a slew of problems *cf: the drafted email I didn't send earlier...gah!* You have to be a member to really help out in infra - because we tie trust in the services used by a large number of people to our general core trust. If you authored the tool, then the trust is also likely to be there - thus we have people who show up on the #asfinfra irc channel and infrastructure@ list who are not asf members but their expertise exhibits trust. Another big problem is that we have a different demographic - those of us of a Java ilk are much more likely to be developers and not admins. I volunteer to help out on things from time to time in infra (mostly JIRA nowadays), but I don't rate my admin skills to the level of the httpd or svn guys. I do wish we'd stop answering complaints with "volunteer to help". People can't do much unless they're members (which is shame, as helping out in infra is a good way to show the kinds of qualities many are looking for in members - namely caring about the whole and not just their own project). Chicken...egg...splat. All we do is drive people to the list where they then feel helpless. Of course I also wish that those volunteering in infra would be more open to new things, and that people requesting services wouldn't run off to a machine of their choice to set something up there rather than trying to work out a common solution. The former is insular and doesn't solve problems, the latter is selfish. I don't get what I wish for... my fortune cookie yesterday was "Your dearest wish will come true", and I'm pretty sure it didn't. I did get Red Dwarf seasons 5-8 - that was cool, so maybe I just don't grok my dearest wishes. *blathers away into insignificance* Hen --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
