Thanks for the good comments.
Ting Peng,
All successful open source projects share one thing in common... they
have active and diverse developer communities (and hopefully a growing
user community). The word and concept of 'community' is extremely
important. A project's development community works together,
collaborates, to define the goals of the project, ensure that code is
high quality and secure, and create releases for end users. ASF
projects cannot exist without community. The Incubator PMC will not
allow projects to graduate from Incubation if they fail to establish an
active and diverse developer community. This is why Bertrand's comments
are extremely important.
To be accepted into incubation, the Bluesky team must commit to doing
development in an open, public and transparent way. When a project is
accepted into Incubation, the project will get a website (or wiki
space), an SVN source code repository, and a mailing list to be used by
the development team. The bluesky team must:
1. use the developer mailing list, website and wiki to conduct most all
of the communication between team members regarding design and
development decisions
The mailing list archive should almost be a 'design document', where
design decisions are discussed openly and team members are given a
chance to comment on decisions. 'hallway' and face to face discussion
resulting in design decisions should be avoided if possible, and when
they do happen, someone must capture the decision in an email sent to
the mailing list so the community can see how the project is evolving.
2. In order to grow the community as large as possible, the ASF
requires that all development communication be conducted in English.
This allows people from all over the world to follow the project, watch
it evolve and contribute. It's perfectly okay to provide documentation
in other languages, but most discussions about project design and
implementation decisions must be conducted in English in a public forum
(mailing list, wiki, etc).
If the Bluesky project is accepted into Incubation, will the Bluesky
team be able to commit to conducting project communications in the
public in English? This is a significant challenge to the Chinese
developers on the Bluesky team. Can the team meet the challenge?
新年快乐, Happy New Year!
Bill
Bertrand Delacretaz wrote:
On Dec 19, 2007 12:43 AM, Bill Stoddard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
...I've updated the BlueSky project proposal. Ting Peng and
Incubator PMC,
please review/update as needed and report back any concerns....
I have two concerns about http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/BlueSky:
...weekly development summary on this web site:
http://www.p12.edu.cn/ (Currently, only available in mainland of
China)...
I think we need a committment from the BlueSky team that all
information and artifacts related to the project will be available
worldwide. I know nothing about how things work in China in this
respect, but having parts of the project segregated is not acceptable,
IMHO. That might make some community members second-class citizens if
they don't have access to everything.
Currently, we have built official site of BlueSky, which is located at
http://202.117.16.176/ .
This website is worldwide available. You are welcomed to visit this
website.
...Documentation
All in Chinese now...
In the same vein, we need to make it very clear that all
project-related communications have to happen in english on the ASF
mailing lists and websites. I don't think the ASF would be able to
provide the necessary oversight for anything happening in Chinese,
just as we don't support other languages at the moment.
Sorry if I sound negative, I agree that the goals of the project are
important, but I also see a risk of creating a project that might live
on its own island, with very little ties to the rest of the ASF. I'm
not saying it's impossible, but IMHO we have to make sure that the
necessary agreements are in place before going further.
We have already written some documents about project BlueSky. These
includes technical structure,
source code, compiling instructions and screenshots. All of them are
in English. More documents are
in preparing.
-Bertrand
If anyone has any advice about our project BlueSky, please let us
know. We do need your help.
Merry Christmas and Happy New Year!
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