On Jan 1, 2008 4:58 PM, Robert Burrell Donkin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Dec 31, 2007 9:14 PM, Craig L Russell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Hi, > > > > On Dec 31, 2007, at 5:47 AM, Robert Burrell Donkin wrote: > > > > > http://incubator.apache.org/incubation/ > > > Incubation_Policy.html#Setting+Up+a+New+Podling > > > falls somewhere between guideance and policy. given that process > > > mistakes have been made (eg. > > > https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/INFRA-1341) > > > > This issue points out that even members of the incubator and members > > of the foundation aren't always clear on what parts of infrastructure > > are accessible to whom. > > ATM apache's in the middle of a bit of a transition so it's not very coherent > > > > > > IMHO it would be > > > better to create a guide for this part of the process and streamline > > > this section. > > > > +1 > > > > > > a radical patch (below) would strip out all policy. for want of a > > > better name, i've termed this guide 'bootstrap' (creation is already > 22> > used for another part of the process) but suggestions welcomed. > > > > Only after a guide with this information is ready. > > +1 > > > > as discussed (http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/incubator- > > > general/200712.mbox/% > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED]), > > > though the current policy suggests that the mentors should do most of > > > the work this is probably unnecessary since the IPMC has already > > > approved it. so, i'd like to see this bit of policy removed anyway. > > > > > > the current policy lists mandates required infrastructure tasks > > > (mailing lists, repository). i'm not sure that this is needed at all. > > > if it is then it would be better to simply to ask that all proposed > > > resources are created. > > > > I do think that the new guide should make clear what tasks need to be > > done (not all of the tasks are listed). And what karma each task needs. > > IMO we need to move away from karma and onto roles > > for example, i have archive karma since i helped to set up the mirrors > back in the early noughties. i have this karma since i'm part of the > infra team. bulk transferring all the existing incubator to the > archives is really an infra task and i'm doing it with my infra hat > on. lots of members who've been around from the early noughties have > had lots of roles over the years. so they end up with lots of karma > and this confuses people into thinking that there are lots of stuff > that members are required for. > > some tasks required infra, some the incubator chair, some an IPMCer, > some any committer. most have some sort of process requirements. i'm > inclined to recommend that JIRA is used for coordination. whilst i'm > bringing in RAT, i'm trying to preserve a record of what was needed. i > hope that this will help in creating the documentation. > > > There is a guide http://incubator.apache.org/guides/projects.html > > that could be used for the purpose. It's (strangely) linked from the > > left navbar under Podling Guides: Podling Mentor. > > that is a little odd > > don't really use the term project anymore > > rename to mentor.html? > > > It would be good if > > we update this guide to be as complete as the http:// > > incubator.apache.org/guides/graduation.html guide. > > > > WDYT? > > +1 > > get cracking :-)
i've started to pull something together by writing up what i need to do to set RAT up. see http://incubator.apache.org/guides/mentor.html#bootstrap. it's at a very early stage. i'll try to update as i go rather than wait and write up. so feel free to jump in with patches. - robert --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
