There are some podlings that are managing themselves well and have no inactive committers. These podlings should not have to undergo an artificial process in order to graduate.

Other podlings that have a bunch of inactive committers might find it necessary to go through a pruning process at graduation, in order to make sure that the community is healthy.

I'd leave it up to the community and PPMC to decide whether pruning is necessary.

Craig

On Feb 2, 2008, at 7:40 PM, Filip at Apache wrote:

I'd vote -1, if a project graduates, it does so cause the committer community is healthy and works well together, and all the other factors. I don't see any reason why a community should have to be re-elected. It just doesn't make sense. Graduation out of incubator should not be a popularity contest, if the project can graduate, they have already proven themselves at that point

Filip

Bertrand Delacretaz wrote:
Hi,

Following up (finally) on the community diversity discussion of last
December [1], I propose to re-elect podling committers before a
project graduates.

If we agree, I'll start a vote to add the following text after the
"Graduation Process" title at
http://incubator.apache.org/guides/graduation.html#process :

*** Podling committers graduation ***
Once a podling is ready to graduate, its committers are re-elected,
according to the ASF's usual meritocracy rules.

The goal is to ensure that all Apache committers have gone through the
"meritocracy filter", which does not apply to people included in a
podling's initial committers list, for obvious reasons.

The suggested process is to have podling committers (and mentors if
they want) self-nominate themselves, indicating why they believe they
should be included in the list of graduated committers. People who
were on the initial list of podling committers, but did not actively
contribute, are expected to step down at this point.

The PPMC votes to accept the nominations, subject to the usual voting
rules for committers.

The podling's mentors lead this process, usually with no involement of the IPMC.

The results of the committers graduation votes are include in the
podling's graduation request.
***

I think this reflects our discussions at [1], but let me know if I
forgot something!

-Bertrand

[1] http://markmail.org/message/xy57ghwdezq4w4pi

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