On Jul 1, 2011, at 2:04 PM, Gavin McDonald wrote:

> 
> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: William A. Rowe Jr. [mailto:wr...@rowe-clan.net]
>> Sent: Saturday, 2 July 2011 1:24 AM
>> To: general@incubator.apache.org
>> Subject: Re: Bluesky calls for a new mentor!
>> 
>> On 7/1/2011 10:19 AM, Luciano Resende wrote:
>>> On Fri, Jul 1, 2011 at 7:49 AM, Benson Margulies <bimargul...@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>>> Based on the email trail recently, I'm in favor of completing the
>>>> vote. I think that there is sufficient evidence that this project has
>>>> 'failed to launch' as an Apache community, and should go put itself
>>>> on github. If enough people disagree, they can vote -1.
>>>> 
>>>> My vote is +1 to retire.
>>>> 
>>> 
>>> This will be my sentiment as well, particularly if I look at the
>>> commit list archive [1] on Monday and continue to see no commits even
>>> after telling the podling that the code should be committed to Apache
>>> repository and any cleanup or further development should be done in
>>> the open.
>>> 
>>> http://apache.markmail.org/search/?q=list%3Aorg.apache.incubator.blues
>>> ky-commits
>> 
>> We also made it clear the *author* should also commit their own code, and
>> all authors should become committers.
> 
> Each term (semester) Bluesky will get a new crop of students (committers) and
> the old ones will be gone forever.
> 
> Are we to keep on creating new committer accts for these folks knowing damn 
> well 
> that at the end of the term they disappear and a new lot appears? This is why 
> they (
> when they did commit) shared accounts.
> 
> For the infra requirements of an Apache project alone, this project does not 
> fit.
> Sounds like a great project, but  not one that belongs here under its current 
> style of
> working. If they can change that somehow ...
> 
> (It's also obvious a 'community' will never get time to gel as the next lot 
> move out/in ,
> It's also obvious outsiders to Bluesky will likely not be able to 
> participate, as that is not
> what the project is about - from their end. (So a diverse community cannot be 
> built...)
> 
> I see no benefit to the ASF or Bluesky in continuing on, but I hope to be 
> mistaken.
> 
> Gav...

+1

I also don't feel the vote to retire should be tabled. I'm convinced this 
project is not going to gel into anything that would ever make it out of the 
incubator.

Ralph
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