On Mon, Nov 21, 2011 at 1:55 PM, Joe Schaefer <joe_schae...@yahoo.com> wrote: > Well its a little confusing to expect anyone other than a mentor > to shepherd a project- the corresponding "shepherd" at the TLP level > is a board member responsible for interfacing between the board > and the project on any action items post-board-meeting. > > > I suggest we get back to figuring out exactly what problem we are > trying to solve before we start looking for appropriate labels to > attach to the role(s) we need.
+1 What have we got here? My personal view: a) mentors AWOL b) Measurable quantities of ignorance of ASF policies that are supposed to be the fundamental invariants of what we do. c) A Podling release voted up that later lead to 'I'm shocked, shocked, to discover gambling going on' reactions from other iPMC members at a graduation vote. d) A PMC so large as to be inevitably incoherent as a body that sets policy and makes decisions. My tentative view is that there is a structural issue here: the incubator PMC should not expand to accomodate all mentors. Its members should all feel responsibility for supervision of all podlings, and would need to figure out a way to scale that supervision other than being a creature of 100 legs and no head. > > > > ----- Original Message ----- >> From: sebb <seb...@gmail.com> >> To: general@incubator.apache.org >> Cc: >> Sent: Monday, November 21, 2011 1:49 PM >> Subject: Re: should podlings have informal chairs? >> >> On 21 November 2011 18:22, Scott Deboy <scott.de...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> What about getting rid of the word 'champion'? Seems like there >> are two >>> roles: the Member(s) which backed the proposal to enter the incubator, and >>> a Coordinator. >> >> I think Champion is a good name, especially for the pre-podling phase. >> >> Seems to me it often takes more than a mere Coordinator to ensure that >> the proposal reaches the vote to accept a podling. >> >> For the current issue - ensuring podlings don't get lost on the way to >> graduation - maybe a "shepherd" is needed. >> >> But I still think the original Champion could be tasked with the role. >> If they were keep enough to act as Champion to ensure that the project >> was accepted as a podling, one would hope they would be keen to ensure >> that the podling eventually graduates. >> >>> Scott >>> >>> On Mon, Nov 21, 2011 at 9:06 AM, Ross Gardler >> <rgard...@opendirective.com>wrote: >>> >>>> On 21 November 2011 16:47, Joe Schaefer <joe_schae...@yahoo.com> >> wrote: >>>> > Personally I am against the idea of picking a chair >>>> > for a podling early. >>>> >>>> That's not the proposal, although it was suggested and I believe >>>> rejected (for reasons similar to the ones you gave), at least I've >> not >>>> seen any support for it. >>>> >>>> The proposal is as the subject says "an informal chair". The >> name >>>> seems to have moved to champion in order to avoid any impression of >>>> leadership. >>>> >>>> The responsibilities would be to the Incubator PMC to ensure that the >>>> project is progressing rather than struggling with busy elsewhere or >>>> inactive mentors. >>>> >>>> Does your concern extend to this role? >>>> >>>> Ross >>>> >>>> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org >>>> For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org >>>> >>>> >>> >> >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org >> For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org >> > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org > For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org
