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It's worthwhile to review the entire surrounding thread in August 2010 for IPMC members to avoid rehashing old arguments. ----- Original Message ----- > From: Ross Gardler <rgard...@opendirective.com> > To: general@incubator.apache.org; Joe Schaefer <joe_schae...@yahoo.com> > Cc: > Sent: Wednesday, February 1, 2012 5:07 PM > Subject: Re: Fwd: mentoring individuals as well as projects > > Joe, can you please restate (or link to the archives) the intent and > practice of your "experiment" > > Ross > > On 1 February 2012 22:02, Joe Schaefer <joe_schae...@yahoo.com> wrote: >> ----- Original Message ----- >> >>> From: Marvin Humphrey <mar...@rectangular.com> >>> To: general@incubator.apache.org; Joe Schaefer > <joe_schae...@yahoo.com> >>> Cc: >>> Sent: Wednesday, February 1, 2012 3:03 PM >>> Subject: Re: Fwd: mentoring individuals as well as projects >>> >>> On Wed, Feb 01, 2012 at 09:32:23AM -0800, Joe Schaefer wrote: >>>> I believe this is what Marvin is alluding to when he points out > that >>>> compentent IPMC oversight is little more than an illusive myth on > most >>>> of our podlings. >>> >>> A PPMC member, by virtue of their deep familiarity with the code base > and >>> close monitoring of ongoing development, is, once they have > internalized ASF >>> values and studied relevant legal issues, in a *better* position to > review a >>> release and protect their project's integrity than any Mentor. >>> >>>> We rely on the committers to police themselves and we trust that > they do, >>>> but we do not, as a group, empower such people to perform that > work on >>>> behalf of the IPMC. >>> >>> Giving suitably diligent podling contributors real oversight > responsibility >>> and accountability while they are still in the Incubator, allowing them > to >>> serve alongside experienced Mentors, watch them, ask them questions and >>> participate in their struggle... that's what, in my opinion, will > prepare >>> them to become superior stewards of their projects after graduation. >> >> Agreed Marvin, but we have a long way to go before people will ever realize >> this approach will largely solve our outstanding problems regarding IPMC > releases. >> People have to feel comfortable relaxing control of the reigns, and let go >> of the idea that only a very limited and special group of people are > capable >> of performing real oversight for the foundation. >> >> It's not easy, and it's certainly not conducive to Western ways of > thinking >> about governance and society. But it works. >> >> IMO we should proceed the same way as always, by taking small and largely >> reversible steps. Let's expand the "experiment" I started in > 2010 to another >> handful of projects, and see what really happens. I suggest we include >> ManifoldCF for now. Any others willing to participate? >> >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org >> For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org >> > > > > -- > Ross Gardler (@rgardler) > Programme Leader (Open Development) > OpenDirective http://opendirective.com > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org
