On Feb 6, 2012, at 8:23 AM, Marvin Humphrey wrote:
Hi, Ate,
On Mon, Feb 06, 2012 at 02:33:11AM +0100, Ate Douma wrote:
What worries me a lot about the recent proposals, not only the text
above, is that project autonomy seems to be measured foremost by just
doing proper releases.
To me, Apache == Community over code.
The case I have been trying to make is that there are community
benefits when
a podling is allowed to earn progressively increasing autonomy over
its
releases.
To me, this increasing autonomy can be handled today if the Mentors
step up.
The first release should be vetted by each of the three Mentors,
before it even gets to the full IPMC membership. If the Mentors do the
minimum of checking signatures, looking over the RAT report, they can
then rely on the PPMC members to technically vet the release.
And the second time around, reviewing a release should take even less
time. And once the Mentors have confidence in the ability of the PPMC
members to properly review, they can choose to vote +1 on a release
with confidence that the release satisfies the requirements. Thus, a
Mentor can give more autonomy simply by voting.
For what it's worth, the poor state of the Incubator release system
has had
negative impact on our podling's ability to recruit and retain new
contributors. When you're accustomed to the instantaneous
gratification of
releasing to Github, CPAN, or RubyGems.org, coming into the
Incubator and
seeing that it is routine for release candidates to be delayed for
*weeks*
awaiting three IPMC votes is shocking.
The delay is shocking. Why can't the Mentors check signatures and
review RAT?
There is no requirement by the incubator that a release actually do
anything useful. So to sign off on a release should be a 30 minute
task. We know that Mentors need to pay attention to the community
interactions, which is where I expect most of their time to be spent.
Reviewing a release for proper licensing and signatures should be a
tiny part of the job.
Craig
If you were trying to pick which open source project to spend your
time on,
why would you want to stick around an organization that has so much
trouble
getting its act together?
Marvin Humphrey
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