Alan, On Mon, Nov 26, 2012 at 3:52 PM, Alan Cabrera <l...@toolazydogs.com> wrote: > > On Nov 26, 2012, at 12:57 AM, Christian Grobmeier wrote: > >> Actually there is activity. Only in September 2 new committers joined. >> Looking at SVN, there is activity too: >> http://svn.apache.org/viewvc/incubator/chukwa/trunk/src/main/java/org/apache/hadoop/chukwa/ >> >> Unfortunately the most active committer - if not the only one - is Eric. >> >> For me (others may correct me) a successful incubator project is one >> which manages to build up a community around it. While it seems that >> Chukwa aims at it: >> http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/incubator-chukwa-dev/201209.mbox/%3CCAFk14gt_8bwOZ3=2bmmksjmpftovh2_s+ncrya3by9yo4hz...@mail.gmail.com%3E >> >> the project has not managed to get a momentum. >> >> On the other hand, I saw in the private archives that some legal >> restrictions have been resolved. >> >> Question: >> >> How does the Chukwa project want to build up a new community? >> >> Personally - if there is a plan and interest to make community work >> (however that looks like) - I would be open to leave Chukwa a little >> longer in incubation. Esp. because it seems that committers can now >> work more freely on it. >> >> Maybe we can make up some kind of deadline? > > > Seven months ago we had this same discussion when I joined as a mentor. > There was not a lot of activity other than Eric and I raised concerns about > maybe it was time to retire the project. A variety of excuses were offered > up and it was decided to wait a while and hope that the community activity > would grow. > > We even added a few committers a "bit early" with the hopes that they would > infuse the project with more energy. > > IMO, not much changed. The flurry of activity is from Eric every time a > discussion about retirement arises. > > As for the "now that committers can work more freely on it" is not exactly > clear. My understanding is that there were some patches developed at IBM and > those patches are now going through legal. I tried to dig deeper into what > exactly was being held up and all I received was equivocation. > > Even by the PPMC's comments they obliquely acknowledge that there's not much > activity and expressed an interested in simply keeping it around with the > hopes that something would happen; there were no concrete ideas or plans on > how to grow the community because, by their own admission, no one has the > time to work much on the project. I replied "To be sure, the infrastructure > and administrative costs are negligible. So, we don't need to worry on that > account. However, the ASF Incubator is not a place where you can hang your > shingle up and hope that someday someone will wander by and be interested. " > Chukwa has been in the Incubator for years now. > > Maybe that's what we want the Incubator to be. If that's the case then let's > make this new policy explicit. Until then, I will follow my understanding > that a project cannot just simply park itself in the Incubator hoping for the > party to arrive. >
Thank you for clarifying. It's good to read a summary of a Mentor. Actually I think you understand the Incubator as I do and what I have read in your mail it makes sense to end incubation. As Ted Dunning said: retiring != death. GitHub might make more sense. When the project got more community it can come try to come back to the incubator. Cheers Christian --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org
