+1 For me mentoring ends when the PPMC is able to demonstrate that it can work in a way that will build diversity, not necessarily when diversity is achieved.
Ross Sent from my tablet On Nov 28, 2012 8:47 PM, "Alan Cabrera" <l...@toolazydogs.com> wrote: > I've been giving this some thought and I've worked hard at keeping it > short and sweet. So finer points are left out but I hope they are obvious. > > What does ASF's Imprimatur mean? > > Does it mean that project is diverse and vibrant? No. > > Does it mean that the project's committers and PMC members are > trustworthy? Yes. > > I'm wondering if it makes sense to do away with the diversity and vibrant > dictum and merely state that at least one person is reasonably active and > that all the PMC members are trustworthy. > > If we do this then all manner of things are simplified especially with > respect to those projects that were, seemingly, unfairly fast tracked. > > > Regards, > Alan > > > > On Nov 28, 2012, at 6:57 AM, Benson Margulies wrote: > > > The question of a time limit is like other questions we deal with: we > > don't want to set a hard limit, but the idea of incubation going along > > for years and years is not consistent with the vision of what the > > incubator is. Sam was at pains to present this dilemma, not to ask for > > some kind of hard limit. > > > > Ross, I can now see how your 'follow the mentors' model should have > > the effect of solving this problem, too. > > > > I didn't start this thread with 'we have a broken process,' I started > > it with, 'I want to clarify what our process is.' > > > > To me, this discussion feeds my prior belief that we need to continue > > to emphasize the importance of active, engaged, mentors, and see their > > absence in a podling as a problem that demands attention. > > > > There are people here (notable Greg) who are very skeptical of this > > mentor-centric model. However, it seems to me that the consensus of > > the community continues to be to try to tune/repair it, not replace > > it. > > > > On Wed, Nov 28, 2012 at 9:41 AM, ant elder <ant.el...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> On Wed, Nov 28, 2012 at 2:32 PM, Bertrand Delacretaz < > bdelacre...@apache.org > >>> wrote: > >> > >>> On Wed, Nov 28, 2012 at 3:24 PM, ant elder <ant.el...@gmail.com> > wrote: > >>>> ...Slow poddlings don't use much ASF resource so aren't a burden... > >>> > >>> I disagree: podlings do use mentor's energy - graduating or retiring > >>> them is a way to free up mentors for other incoming podlings. > >>> > >> > >> I did say "If there are willing participants" which includes the > mentors. > >> > >> And I don't think looking at mentors as a pot of resource is the correct > >> view. > >> > >> ...ant > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org > For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org > >
