The discussion on dev@commons about coming-to-Apache Commons-RDF (https://github.com/commons-rdf/commons-rdf/) seems to be rejecting a temporary mailing list like rdf@commons as it is seen t be splitting Apache Commons as a project - the ideal committer on Apache Commons is caring about all its components (avoiding the Jakarta pitfalls).
We had not considered becoming a TLP as once the API (mainly a set of interfaces) is settled, by then it will probably be pretty much a quiet project except the odd maintenance patch - and also by being a common component of several RDF projects within Apache, its best home then would be under Commons (presumably with most of the original committers still involved). However the large traffic of dev@commons (~400/month) about all the other components can be a problem for trying to engage the non-Apache community around commons-rdf while we flesh out the API. (This has currently been done solely through Github issues, pull requests, and "watching" the project). In a way we are limited by the technology of the Apache mailing lists. (I know, I know...). (I mentioned gitlab.com ) The suggestion is that Commons-RDF could be a incubator project, but with a projected path to become part of the Apache Commons instead of a TLP. (I believe this path has not happened before) So this would be using the old structure of having a champion of Apache Commons - could this be a workable incubator project? In a way it would be incubating just the code until API maturity rather than the community or "Apache Way" as both of those already exist. In such an (old skool) setup, would it be the Commons PMC / dev@commons who would vote over the incubating releases? Once "graduating" it would just become a component under Apache Commons and the community would just be dev@commons where the committers would already be members - the dev@rdf.incubator list would simply close. .. and where would mentors come from? Would existing committers from those other Apache projects (Jena, Marmotta, Clerezza) be enough - or should it be someone from IMPC or from dev@commons? See http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/commons-dev/201501.mbox/%3CCAB917RLJE%2BgFEpw%3Dyp-c-HpXEnvL12JZLLpc4wphGyjGH_6%3D9Q%40mail.gmail.com%3E for the whole threads :) ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Stian Soiland-Reyes <st...@apache.org> Date: 20 January 2015 at 14:06 Subject: Re: [DISCUSS][RDF] Separate mailing list for Commons RDF To: Commons Developers List <d...@commons.apache.org> Agree that maybe the the Incubator with a projected path to the Commons could be a workable middle ground while Commons-RDF is still "incubating" code-wise (but not community or Apache Way-wise). No earlier project has gone through this route (https://incubator.apache.org/projects/ ) - this would reuse the deprecated "Champion" project to be Apache Commons instead of Incubator PMC in this case. Such a proposal has some good features - I presume commons-rdf releases would still be voted over (and thus involve) the Commons PMC and dev@commons (as they would after "graduating"). As an API, then Commons-RDF should not be considered stable while being in 0.x.x-incubating anyway. On 20 January 2015 at 13:58, Torsten Curdt <tcu...@vafer.org> wrote: >> There are several ASF projects in the >> RDF space. They have been through the incubator. Please do talk to those >> projects if you have concerns. > > I am sorry - but how are those projects relevant in this case? > > And what's so bad about the incubator? You could (maybe) later on come > to Commons. > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@commons.apache.org > For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@commons.apache.org > -- Stian Soiland-Reyes Apache Taverna (incubating) http://orcid.org/0000-0001-9842-9718 -- Stian Soiland-Reyes Apache Taverna (incubating) http://orcid.org/0000-0001-9842-9718 --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org
