Just for the record, I was asked to help out as a mentor and said I would happily get involved when I get back from vacation next week.
Tom On Wed, Jun 15, 2016 at 11:19 PM, Pierre Smits <pierre.sm...@gmail.com> wrote: > Hi John, > > The question you're asking with respect to how diverse our developer > community is a wrong one. Focussing on just that is negating our > contributors of the other kind. > > So coming back to the diversity of our community I would say that though it > is not optimal with respect to the minimalisation of a potential risk of a > single external entity pressuring a majority of contributors with binding > votes. Yet, participating in this community from early on in the incubation > process I can say that the community is mature and know how to separate > issues revolving around the product of the affiliated party/parties from > the vision and goals of the project. > > Your question regarding how much our community has grown is valid, but in > al the years lurking and participating in this ml I have never witnessed an > absolute threshold being referenced as what the size of the community. Nor > have I ever seen that a podling was told to bring in more diversity when > the majority of its privileged contributors was affiliated with one > external party. > > The community feels there is a chicken and egg situation here. Adoption is > expected to grow at a higher rate (thus bringing in more contributors from > other directions, enabling the community have a more diverse segment of > those with privileges), when it has a higher status within the ASF than it > now has. We want to be a TLP, we want more contributors. But we can't > coerce. Marketing the product and the project is easier when the status of > the project reflects the resolve of it community. And this community is > here for the long run. > > John, you have also raised your concerns regarding the diversity in the > thread with subject '[DISCUSS] Trafodion for TLP. Though this should go > there, I am providing my 2 cents here. > > But it seems to me that this Incubator project has an issue of its own. The > Trafodion podling is yet another one emerging in a short period of time > notifying this ml of having an issue regarding the participation of its > mentors. Current active Incubator contributors with privileges seem to have > a workload to big. Hence the voting on the Trafodion r2.0.1 release is > already running for 6 day, without any of those, who can cast a binding > vote, engaging. > Apart from other aspects this seems (to me) to be a diversity issue as > well. Can you tell me how long ago the PMC onboarded a contributor to have > privileges, that was not an ASF Member? > > Best regards, > > > Pierre Smits > > ORRTIZ.COM <http://www.orrtiz.com> > OFBiz based solutions & services > > OFBiz Extensions Marketplace > http://oem.ofbizci.net/oci-2/ > > On Wed, Jun 15, 2016 at 10:33 PM, John D. Ament <johndam...@apache.org> > wrote: > > > Dave, > > > > Thanks for the very detailed report. One comment, which I think I made > > earlier, is that we like to see how your community has grown. So the > > numbers don't provide the full details. > > > > I'm curious, from your point of view, how close are you to graduating? > Is > > your developer community diverse enough? > > > > John > > > > On Wed, Jun 15, 2016 at 4:27 PM Dave Birdsall <dave.birds...@esgyn.com> > > wrote: > > > > > Hi Martin, > > > > > > The intended audience for our project are users in the Apache Hadoop > > > ecosystem looking for transactional and operational SQL. We provide a > > > transactional and operational SQL engine on top of Apache HBase, with > > some > > > support for non-transactional operation on Hive tables. By operational, > > we > > > mean to include large reporting queries that one might do on a > > > transactional database. > > > > > > Here's a pointer to our latest Podling Report (search for the string > > > "Trafodion"): https://wiki.apache.org/incubator/June2016 > > > > > > So far we have accomplished two releases: 1.3.0 and 2.0.0 (which was in > > > discussion at the time the podling report was written). > > > > > > Very short-term objectives are we have a patch release 2.0.1 that needs > > > approval. Short-term we are likely to have a Release 2.1 within the > next > > > few months. > > > > > > Long-term we hope to move to TLP. The biggest issue at the moment is > > > expanding our community, as most of the developers and active > committers > > > are at one company. > > > > > > Our SDLC is a comprehensive branch model. We actively merge up any > > patches > > > to older branches onto the latest branch. We use git for our source > > > control. We use Jenkins to automate build and test of changes before > they > > > are committed. There is a culture within the podling of quick and > > thorough > > > reviews of code changes. Small changes tend to be committed quickly > while > > > larger changes take longer. See > > > https://github.com/apache/incubator-trafodion. > > > > > > We have produced a comprehensive set of documentation both of the > project > > > code itself and of the development process. The former can be found > here > > > http://trafodion.apache.org (see the Documentation tab), and the > latter > > in > > > our wiki > > > > > > https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/TRAFODION/Apache+Trafodion+Hom > > > e (see Trafodion Contributor Guide). > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > Dave > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Martin Gainty [mailto:mgai...@hotmail.com] > > > Sent: Wednesday, June 15, 2016 1:06 PM > > > To: general@incubator.apache.org > > > Subject: RE: Trafodion podling needs more mentors > > > > > > what have you accomplished thus far? > > > what are your short-term objectives..(what do you need by the end of > > > 2016)? > > > > > > what are the long term objectives? > > > what is your SDLC...submit jira ..submit patch and testcase and hope > > > integration works OR comprehensive branch cut for major new release and > > > then hopefully merge sometime later > > > > > > who is the intended audience for Trafodion? > > > Thanks Dave! > > > Martin > > > ______________________________________________ > > > > > > > > > > > > > From: dave.birds...@esgyn.com > > > > Date: Wed, 15 Jun 2016 12:58:31 -0700 > > > > Subject: Trafodion podling needs more mentors > > > > To: general@incubator.apache.org > > > > > > > > Hello Incubator community, > > > > > > > > The incubating Trafodion project needs more mentors. The project is > in > > > > reasonably good shape from an infrastructure and work-habits point of > > > view. > > > > We have done two releases now, learning many lessons from that > > > experience. > > > > But we need more help checking out our release candidates. Our > current > > > > mentors have been pressed for time. (We started with five, two have > > > since > > > > resigned due to other obligations.) Anyone game? > > > > > > > > Kind regards, > > > > > > > > Dave Birdsall (member of Trafodion podling PMC) > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org > > > For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org > > > > > > > > >
