On Wed, Nov 29, 2017 at 5:59 AM sebb <seb...@gmail.com> wrote: > Top posting > > The proposal includes a user@ mailing list. > This is generally not recommended for podlings as their focus needs to > be on building the developer community. >
Podlings are more than welcomed to include user@ lists. There's nothing stopping them from building developers and users at the same time. > > Once a podling graduates, the user@ list can be created, and any > external user mailing list subscribers can migrate across. > > This also works better if the podling does not graduate. > > > On 29 November 2017 at 07:15, 吴晟 <wu.sh...@foxmail.com> wrote: > > Hi, Incubator Community people, and Romain > > > > My name is Sheng Wu, the founder and PMC member of SkyWalking APM > project. I and other contributors of SkyWalking are glad to join the Apache > Community, and welcome everyone to join ASF. > > > > > > > > Sorry for forgetting close the old donation. Please recheck that issue: > https://github.com/cncf/toc/issues/50 . I have close that issue and > proposal. > > > > > > ------------------ 原始邮件 ------------------ > > 发件人: "Romain Manni-Bucau";<rmannibu...@gmail.com>; > > 发送时间: 2017年11月29日(星期三) 下午3:11 > > 收件人: "general@incubator.apache.org"<general@incubator.apache.org>; > > > > 主题: Re: [PROPOSAL] SkyWalking - proposal for Apache Incubation > > > > > > > > Hi Mick > > > > I'm generally +1 and would be very happy to help but before voting can > > you clarify the position with other donations like > > https://github.com/cncf/toc/issues/50 please? > > > > Romain Manni-Bucau > > @rmannibucau | Blog | Old Blog | Github | LinkedIn > > > > > > 2017-11-29 7:58 GMT+01:00 mck <m...@apache.org>: > >> Dear Apache Incubator Community, > >> > >> Please accept the following proposal for presentation and discussion: > >> https://wiki.apache.org/incubator/SkyWalkingProposal > >> > >> SkyWalking is a distributed tracing solution that provides automatic > >> instrumentation, coming from a community of Chinese contributors. This > >> community has been involved with and part of the Distributed Tracing > >> workshops held by Adrian Cole (who maintains and develops Zipkin) and > >> the OpenTracing initiative. > >> > >> Sheng Wu reached out to me recently asking me to Champion the proposal > >> because of my involvement with OpenTracing, Zipkin, and these > >> Distributed Tracing workshops. The whole SkyWalking community has > >> demonstrated a keenness to join Apache, as is seen on their GitHub > >> issues discussing the matter. I'm excited to have been asked and have > >> gladly accepted. Furthermore at last year's ApacheCon in Vancouver I met > >> Luke Han during the ASF media workshop and watched his presentation > >> about the challenges of opening up ASF to chinese communities and > >> developers. Because of this we have reached out to Luke Han as an > >> additional mentor. The result of this was that Sheng met Luke in person > >> last weekend in Shanghai. Sheng also met Nicolas Hedhman in Shanghai. > >> And Willem Ning Jiang has also been added as a mentor, who is also from > >> Huawei and is currently involved in the ServiceComb proposal. Otherwise > >> I'm aware that I'm new to the Incubator and its processes, so any > >> additional mentors familiar with the finer details and precedence will > >> be most welcomed. > >> > >> regards, > >> Mick > >> > >> ---- > >> > >> = Abstract = > >> Skywalking is an APM (application performance monitor), especially for > >> microservice, Cloud Native and container-based architecture systems. > >> Also known as a distributed tracing system. It provides an automatic way > >> to instrument applications: no need to change any of the source code of > >> the target application; and an collector with an very high efficiency > >> streaming module. > >> > >> = Proposal = > >> The goal of this proposal is to bring the existing Skywalking > >> https://github.com/OpenSkywalking/skywalking codebase and existing > >> developers and community into the Apache Software Foundation (ASF) in > >> order to build a global, diverse and self-governed open source community > >> in APM field. > >> > >> This project started in Open Source on GitHub about more than 2 years > >> ago. Beginning with a small SDK and collector. So far the OpenSkywalking > >> https://github.com/OpenSkywalking/Organization governs the project > >> through the PMC and Committer Team. The major contributors are from > >> Huawei DevCloud Team, Tydic, Oneapm (APM vendor), Alibaba Group, > >> dangdang.com and cloudwise (APM vendor). > >> > >> OpenSkywalking is submitting this proposal to donate the Skywalking > >> sources code and associated artifacts (documentation, web site content, > >> wiki, etc.) to the Apache Software Foundation Incubator under the Apache > >> License, Version 2.0. These artifacts are currently available on GitHub > >> at https://github.com/OpenSkywalking and include: > >> * Skywalking: The java sniffer(agent) for collecting data, and > >> collector for analysing and persistence. > >> * Skywalking-UI: The web UI for skywalking APM > >> > >> Voted on submitting the proposal to the Incubator. > >> https://github.com/OpenSkywalking/Organization/issues/11 > >> > >> = Background = > >> Mircro-service, Cloud Native and container-based architecture system are > >> becoming more and more popular, so the traditional monitoring, like > >> application loggings, can provide less information because of the > >> distributed isolates the relations. Based on the Google Dapper paper > >> https://research.google.com/pubs/pub36356.html, many tracing systems > >> born. The OpenSkywalking organisation was created with Skywalking made > >> based on tracing, but not just tracing, it adds additional value by > >> reducing the sniffer (agent) cost, analysis and visualization. > >> > >> In 2015, Skywalking project started, when service-oriented architecture > >> became popular. At first, skywalking provided a very simple SDK, and > >> collected data into a HBASE cluster. After we opened on the GitHub, the > >> community gives the feedbacks about how difficult to maintain a HBase > >> cluster, even harder than the applications under monitored. So, in 2.x > >> 2016, skywalking provided a self-designed storage, and update the SDK to > >> a javaagent with supporting auto-instrumentation. Then since 2017, more > >> and more contributors joined, we set up the PMC team and committer team. > >> Skywalking evolved to an APM, and more and more features provided since > >> then. > >> > >> = Rationale = > >> Skywalking includes these primary parts: > >> 1. Provide an anto-instrument sniffer, which is based on Javaagent and > >> collects events and traces happened inside JVM, with little CPU/Memory > >> cost. > >> 2. An extendable `tracing data protocol suit` with gRPC and HTTP > >> implementations, is compatible for other language agent or SDK. > >> 3. Provide Collector, which accepts the `tracing data protocol suit`, > >> and does the analysis and aggregation inside for detecting the > >> relationships among applications and services, generating the metrics, > >> and altering. > >> 4. Provided our own UI, which visualizes the topological graph of > >> related applications and services, trace stack, metrics and alerting. > >> > >> Also, Skywalking team is passionate about community cooperations. > >> Skywalking is a supported tracer and member of OpenTracing > >> http://opentracing.io . Also we take part in the TraceContext Specs > >> https://github.com/TraceContext/tracecontext-spec , which is about > >> `tracing context propagation format`. The founder of the project, Sheng > >> Wu, is the member of these organizations, > >> > >> There is a strong need for an open, easy-to-use APM towards helping > >> today's DevOps people to monitor their running systems, while also being > >> easy and transparent to maintain and modify. > >> The Skywalking has been an hot open source project in GitHub. We feel > >> that by moving to Apache it will help us work in a more global and open > >> way, presenting the project as a commercial friendly but vendor neutral > >> technology. Under Apache's strong governance and existing processes, > >> hope is also to make the Skywalking releases more reliable, as is > >> crucial for monitoring systems running in any Application Zone. > >> > >> = Initial Goals = > >> Our initial goals are to bring Skywalking into the ASF. The most > >> important things are following ASF's governance module, and integrating > >> with Apache development process. Also moving the existing codebase to an > >> Apache git repository. > >> > >> = Current Status = > >> == Meritocracy == > >> Skywalking was originally created by Sheng Wu, 吴晟 > >> https://github.com/wu-sheng himself in May 2015, and opened in GitHub > in > >> Nov. 8th, 2015. The project now has committers and users from many > >> companies. The newer committers of the project are guided by the existed > >> PMC and Committer Team members, by reviewing and discussing with them. > >> When they are ready, PMC will start a vote to promote him/her to become > >> a member of PMC and Committer Team. > >> Also after the founder, Sheng Wu, joined Huawei in 2017, Huawei DevCloud > >> decided to contribute and support the project. So he personally leads > >> the interested developers, and helps them to join the community quickly > >> and efficiently. Now we have set `Huawei Devcloud Contributor Team` for > >> them. > >> Contributions are always welcomed, highly valued. A lot of energy is > >> allocated to ensure help to all wishing to contribute. > >> > >> == Community == > >> OpenSkwaylking is supported by 5 companies: Huawei, shurenyun.com, > >> dangdang.com, tydic, nutz.cn , which are both contributing to the > >> project and also used it in product, also provide many important > >> feedbacks from their actual scenarios. > >> The contributors, who can provide employer informantions, are from > >> Huawei DevCloud Team, Tydic, Oneapm (APM vendor), Alibaba Group, > >> dangdang.com, cloudwise (APM vendor), jd.com, cig.cn, hecom.cn, and > >> www.suixingpay.com. > >> > >> == Core Developers == > >> The core developers are a diverse group of experienced open source > >> developers and team leaders. > >> * PMC members – > >> > https://github.com/OpenSkywalking/Organization/blob/master/README.md#project-management-committee-pmc > >> * Committer Team members – > >> > https://github.com/OpenSkywalking/Organization/blob/master/README.md#committer-team > >> > >> == Known Risks == > >> The project is well known in global tracing and APM field, and live more > >> than 2 years. We are not sure there exists a risk, but definitely have a > >> challenge for us. So far, the contributors, committers and confirmed > >> product use cases are all from China. > >> === Language and Culture === > >> Concerns have been raised about language challenges and, as is typical > >> for developers not strong in english, aware that the community can be > >> shy in a debate or disagreement when english is used. Having looked > >> through the project's history this concern can be seen to be minor. The > >> commitlog is in english, and so are the tickets and the pull requests. > >> The website and documentation is equally both english and chinese. The > >> community has been strict upon itself to ensure it became and stays so. > >> The use of chinese should not be seen as a problem, it is a multilingual > >> world, but it is important that english speakers feel included and able > >> to contribute freely to the project without having to ask for > >> translations. To deal with poor or broken english it's important that a > >> gentler and inclusive community is fostered. > >> > >> == Orphaned products == > >> The contributors and community cooperation brings the project from a > >> small concept into a real APM system. So far, many companies, e.g. > >> Huawei DevCloud, dangdang.com, tydic, jd.com, have their own > >> independency contribute team for Skywalking. So this is not risk of any > >> signs of orphaned or abandoned code. > >> > >> == Inexperience with Open Source == > >> The founder of the project, Sheng Wu, is an open source lover. He has > >> contributed for these open source projects: OpenTracing-Specification, > >> OpenTracing-Java, Motan, Hprose, OpenTracing specification-zh, > >> apache/incubator-rocketmq. > >> > >> Hongtao Gao, our committer team member, is the major maintainer of > >> sharding-jdbc https://github.com/shardingjdbc/sharding-jdbc and > >> elastic-job https://github.com/elasticjob/elastic-job since 2014. > >> > >> The project are following these two experienced open source people's > >> guidance. And glad to learn from the Apache Way. > >> > >> == Homogenous Developers == > >> The confirmed contributors list: > >> > https://github.com/OpenSkywalking/Organization/blob/master/README.md#contributors > . > >> As mentioned above in the Community section. > >> > >> == Reliance on Salaried Developers == > >> First of all, most members of the PMC and Committer Team, are paid by > >> their employers (Huawei, Tydic, dangdang.com and OneAPM) to contribute > >> to this project. But we have to say, many of them have more than one > >> employer in the past 3 years contribution, but the contributions are > >> never stopped. We don't just depend on salaried contributors only. > >> Skywalking itself and the distributed tracing field are very attractive > >> and important for every company the contributors work in, and they have > >> no reason to stop them. Contributions and new committers are expected. > >> > >> == Relationships with Other Apache Products == > >> HBase was used as a backend before being rewritten, and that ZooKeeper, > >> httpcomponents, log4j and junit are used. Also we are considering all > >> java projects, especially big data technology, e.g. Hadoop, Hbase, > >> Cassandra. > >> > >> == A Excessive Fascination with the Apache Brand == > >> The ASF has a strong brand, and that brand is in itself attractive. > >> Skywalking will benefit from world wide collaboration and use cases. The > >> Apache brand will be duly respected and honored in regards to marketing > >> and publicity. Further more, with the help of Incubator PMC, we will > >> make every effort to follow the rules and policies of the ASF. > >> > >> == Documentation == > >> * https://github.com/OpenSkywalking/skywalking/tree/master/docs > >> * https://github.com/OpenSkywalking/skywalking/wiki > >> > >> == Initial Source == > >> The project consists of two distinct codebases: the server and the UI. > >> These have existed as separate git repositories. > >> * https://github.com/OpenSkywalking/skywalking > >> * https://github.com/OpenSkywalking/skywalking-ui > >> > >> == Source and Intellectual Property Submission Plan == > >> The project is under Apache Licensed 2.0 already. As soon as Skywalking > >> is approved to join Apache, we can transfer of source code to the Apache > >> Foundation. There is no legal issue. > >> All source artifacts (code and documentation) will be assigned copyright > >> to the ASF. Currently all artifacts are copyright to 'OpenSkywalking > >> Organization', so effort in this process pertains mostly to obtaining > >> the individual and corporation contributor agreements (ICLAs and CCLAs) > >> from all committers and PMC. > >> > >> == External Dependencies == > >> * Byte-buddy (Apache 2.0) > >> * gRPC (Apache 2.0) > >> * netty (Apache 2.0) > >> * guava (Apache 2.0) > >> * elasticsearch (Apache 2.0) > >> * H2 Driver (MPL 2.0 or EPL 1.0) > >> * Zookeeper Client (Apache 2.0) > >> * disruptor (Apache 2.0) > >> * junit (MPL) > >> * mockito (MIT) > >> * powermock (Apache 2.0) > >> * Spring (Apache 2.0) > >> * gson (Apache 2.0) > >> * httpcomponents (Apache 2.0) > >> * log4j (Apache 2.0) > >> * vis (Apache 2.0) > >> * webjars-boostrap (Apache 2.0) > >> * animate.css (MIT) > >> * jquery (js.foundation) > >> * jquery-ui (js.foundation) > >> * jsView (MIT) > >> * metisMenu (MIT) > >> * d3 (BSD-3) > >> * echarts (BSD-3) > >> * DataTables (MIT) > >> * requirejs (MIT) > >> * vue (MIT) > >> > >> = Required Resources = > >> == Mailing Lists == > >> * priv...@skywalking.incubator.apache.org (moderated subscriptions) > >> * comm...@skywalking.incubator.apache.org > >> * d...@skywalking.incubator.apache.org > >> * u...@skywalking.incubator.apache.org > >> > >> == Git Repositories == > >> * https://git-wip-us.apache.org/repos/asf/incubator-skywalking.git > >> * https://git-wip-us.apache.org/repos/asf/incubator-skywalking-ui.git > >> > >> == Issue Tracking == > >> GitHub Issues or JIRA Project Skywalking. > >> To be discussed further, there's a desire to continue to use GitHub > >> issues and it's now visible that other projects are using this. > >> > >> == Initial Incubator PMC == > >> * 吴晟, Sheng Wu @wu-sheng > >> * 彭勇升, Yongsheng Peng @peng-yongsheng > >> * 张鑫, Xin Zhang @ascrutae > >> > >> == Initial Committer == > >> * 吴晟, Sheng Wu @wu-sheng > >> * 彭勇升, Yongsheng Peng @peng-yongsheng > >> * 张鑫, Xin Zhang @ascrutae > >> * 高洪涛, Hongtao Gao @hanahmily > >> * 柏杨, Yang Bai @bai-yang > >> * 王凯, Kai Wang @oracle219 > >> * 李运涛, Yuntao Li @lytscu > >> * 汪盛, Sheng Wang @titsquid > >> * 司冬雪, Dongxue Si @IluckySi > >> * 张科伟, Kewei Zhang @zhangkewei > >> > >> = Champion = > >> * Michael Semb Wever, m...@apache.org > >> > >> Voted for skywalking Incubator champion. > >> https://github.com/OpenSkywalking/Organization/issues/12 > >> > >> = Mentors = > >> * Michael Semb Wever, m...@apache.org > >> * Luke Han, luke...@apache.org > >> * Willem Ning Jiang, ningji...@apache.org > >> > >> Skywalking received a lot helps from Michael Semb Wever about this > >> proposal and Apache way. Set face-to-face meeting with three Apache > >> members: Luke Han, Nicolas Hedhman, Willem Ning Jiang. They helps us a > >> lot. > >> > >> == Sponsoring Entity == > >> We are requesting the Incubator to sponsor this project. > >> > >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- > >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org > >> For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org > >> > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org > For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org > >
