Hi, Serge and I had already a discussion about PNS some months ago. We did a quick search. We only found an existing trademark not related in term of domain. So we moved forward on the graduation, because we are talking about that since months now.
I think we still have time to launch a PNS, and the idea was to do this as part of the graduation. Who can help us on that front ? Thanks, Regards JB On 22/01/2019 15:12, Daniel Gruno wrote: > On 1/22/19 3:09 PM, Mark Thomas wrote: >> On 22/01/2019 00:37, Greg Stein wrote: >>> On Mon, Jan 21, 2019 at 3:21 PM Dave Fisher <dave2w...@comcast.net> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> -0 (binding) - This podling has never completed a suitable podling >>>> name >>>> search. It seems that people no longer consider that relevant as it >>>> is not >>>> in the Maturity model and I’m not sure why. It could be because that is >>>> ComDev and not the IPMC. >>>> >>> >>> The "Maturity Model" (MM) is just a thing developed by ComDev peeps. >>> It has >>> no bearing within the Foundation, other than as a lens for >>> individuals to >>> view projects. That lens is not part of the Incubator, or any other PMC. >>> >>> Personally, I do not view the "podling name search" (PNS) as a gate. >>> That >>> is another imposition, from outside the Incubator, that has crept >>> into the >>> "Must Be Performed(tm)" guidelines for graduation. The Board is the >>> ultimate arbiter of whether a podling can graduate, and a name search is >>> informative for them, rather than gating for us [on the IPMC]. If a >>> podling >>> wants to be called "Apache Acme", and "gee, there are a lot of Acme >>> products out there", then that is on the community. Not something for >>> the >>> Incubator to demand they change; just something for them to deal with. A >>> community problem, rather than one for the Incubator or the Foundation >>> itself. >> >> I disagree on that point - as VP Brand I would, wouldn't I ;) >> >> If there is an issue with the name (that the PNS would have uncovered) >> then the likely solution is that the (now graduated) project will have >> to rename. That has a cost for both the community and the foundation. >> >> While in some cases there are clearly no conflicts, in others it is not >> quite so clear cut. The aim of the PNS is to enable both the podling and >> the foundation (delegated to the Branding Committee) to decide if the >> choice of name is acceptable given the degree of risk associated with >> any potential conflict and the associated costs of a rename should that >> risk materialise. >> >> (There is an assumption here that early renames result in lower costs >> for both the community and the foundation). >> >> As VP Brand I am likely recommend against a podling graduating without a >> PNS on the basis that it represents an unknown level of risk. The board >> may approve the resolution anyway but I suspect it would be tabled >> (delayed) until the following meeting to allow a PNS or something along >> those lines to take place. >> >> As an aside, the policy docs still say a PNS is required to graduate. If >> this view has changed (I'm not sure it has - I don't recall a >> discussion) then those docs need updating. > > I haven't heard of any policy change either, and with that in mind, I am > -1 (binding) on graduation till a PNS has been resolved. As Mark stated, > there are costs involved with name changes, on multiple fronts, and > making sure that we don't clash is quite important. > > With that said, there is plenty of time till the next board meeting, a > PNS _could_ be done in time for that, and I'd remove my -1. :) > >> >> Mark >> >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org >> For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org >> > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org > For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org > -- Jean-Baptiste Onofré jbono...@apache.org http://blog.nanthrax.net Talend - http://www.talend.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org
