Hi Ted,

but instead of questioning the Bylaws or introducing two classes of artifacts I 
would rather try to improve mentor votes as this is something we can do 
incubator internal.
And its always better to cure the cause then the symptoms : )

Julian

Am 12.08.19, 16:44 schrieb "Ted Dunning" <ted.dunn...@gmail.com>:

    On Mon, Aug 12, 2019 at 5:20 AM Jim Jagielski <j...@jagunet.com> wrote:
    
    > ...
    > This does NOT mean that the IPMC should be gatekeepers though... Just as
    > PMC chairs are the "eyes and ears of the board", mentors are the "eyes and
    > ears of the IPMC". The IPMC "vote" should be little more than a formality.
    > IMO, if mentors are IPMC members, and there are at least 3 binding votes 
on
    > the podling list, and the mentors are acting as IPMC members when they
    > vote, then any other additional vote in the IPMC is not required... in
    > essence, consider it like extending the vote for a lazy consensus, so to
    > speak:
    >
    >
    >    "The Apache Podling Foo has voted on releasing Foo 1.2.2 (url and
    > pointers here). We have 3 (or more) binding votes from mentors. We are
    > giving the IPMC and additional 72 hours to vote on said release."
    >
    
    
    This is good in theory, but as Justin has pointed out, 90% of podling
    releases don't have enough mentor votes to follow this path.
    
    The 10% that do have enough votes can easily follow this process.
    

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