> On Aug 12, 2019, at 9:24 AM, Jim Jagielski <j...@jagunet.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>> On Aug 12, 2019, at 10:44 AM, Ted Dunning <ted.dunn...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> On Mon, Aug 12, 2019 at 5:20 AM Jim Jagielski <j...@jagunet.com> wrote:
>>
>>> ...
>>> This does NOT mean that the IPMC should be gatekeepers though... Just as
>>> PMC chairs are the "eyes and ears of the board", mentors are the "eyes and
>>> ears of the IPMC". The IPMC "vote" should be little more than a formality.
>>> IMO, if mentors are IPMC members, and there are at least 3 binding votes on
>>> the podling list, and the mentors are acting as IPMC members when they
>>> vote, then any other additional vote in the IPMC is not required... in
>>> essence, consider it like extending the vote for a lazy consensus, so to
>>> speak:
>>>
>>>
>>> "The Apache Podling Foo has voted on releasing Foo 1.2.2 (url and
>>> pointers here). We have 3 (or more) binding votes from mentors. We are
>>> giving the IPMC and additional 72 hours to vote on said release."
>>>
>>
>>
>> This is good in theory, but as Justin has pointed out, 90% of podling
>> releases don't have enough mentor votes to follow this path.
>>
>> The 10% that do have enough votes can easily follow this process.
>
> Then the ones that don't have enough mentors still require the 3 +1 binding
> votes. The idea is that if the podling already has it, then the IPMC "vote"
> is more procedural than anything else. If they don't, then either the mentors
> need to step up or the IPMC fills in the gap.
>
> The goal is to avoid having the Incubator be a gate-keeper.
You state here the paradox if the podling does not have enough engaged mentors
then the IPMC is the effective gateway.
FWIW - there are currently 47 Podlings[1] and 85 Mentors. [2] There are several
mentors who mentor 4-6 podlings. I’ve done the analysis before, but it breaks
down to about half the mentors having only a single Podling and a quarter with
only two.
Also, let’s not blame the mentors as a lot of times a podling has trouble
establishing themselves and the mentors move on for various reasons. Typically
mentors are all volunteers. (That some are paid by a third party is perfectly
fine.)
Do we need more mentors? Sure. We do have over 10% of the membership mentoring
and up to 30% on the IPMC. I sent a request to members@ some six months ago and
I think we got two or three.
Regards,
Dave
[1] http://incubator.apache.org/clutch/#clutch
[2] http://incubator.apache.org/clutch/#mentors
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