There appears to be consensus on this thread, as well as in the Phoenix community[1] that it makes sense for Phoenix to adopt both Omid and Tephra. My mails to the Tephra and Omid communities[2][3] have gone unanswered, so I assume silence implies consent.
According to [4] the first step of graduating into a sub-project of an existing TLP is a vote by the podling. Given that both podlings have very low activity I am not sure we will get the necessary votes to make this happen. I can start the vote threads in each podling, but I believe we should be ready to move forward without these votes passing due to lack of participation. The next step is for the Phoenix PMC to formally vote to accept the podlings. One question that I'd like to see resolved as part of this vote is what status Phoenix plans to grant to Tephra and Omid committers and PPMC members. Normally I would expect that all podling committers become TLP committers, but given the low participation it may make sense for Phoenix to use an opt-in where podling committers need to affirm their desire to continue on the project before being made committers. Alan. 1. https://lists.apache.org/thread.html/ec00615cbbb4225885e3776f1e8fd071600a9c50f35769f453b8a779@%3Cdev.phoenix.apache.org%3E 2. https://lists.apache.org/thread.html/21deb9e6fe0e929af38b9b712cc0a0779b170f6617b6dee21cfbc356@%3Cdev.tephra.apache.org%3E 3. https://lists.apache.org/thread.html/3fda8fe4517e7d78e4a38b75cce0d77e4514529d50249c190fcb3bda@%3Cdev.omid.apache.org%3E 4. https://incubator.apache.org/guides/graduation.html#graduating_to_a_subproject On Fri, Oct 25, 2019 at 10:35 AM Ohad Shacham <oh...@verizonmedia.com.invalid> wrote: > +1, Thanks Alan. > Just wanted to verify that adopt means Omid and Tephra will sit in the same > repo as Phoenix but will be able to checkout separately as well. I assume > this is Phoenix folks decision. > I know that in Yahoo Omid is used internally. > > On Fri, Oct 25, 2019 at 2:36 AM Gary Helmling <ghelml...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > +1 this seems like the best option. > > > > On Thu, Oct 24, 2019 at 2:29 PM Andrew Purtell <apurt...@apache.org> > > wrote: > > > > > +1 this would be a good outcome. Both Tephra and OMID are good > > > technologies, with respective pros and cons, and Phoenix can make good > > use > > > of both of them, should they choose to accept ownership of the code. > > > > > > On Wed, Oct 23, 2019 at 11:26 AM Alan Gates <alanfga...@gmail.com> > > wrote: > > > > > > > Justin and mentors of Omid and Tephra, > > > > > > > > As Justin noted in his emails to these podlings this month both are > > very > > > > low activity, struggling to even file their reports, and appear to be > > > > candidates for retirement. > > > > > > > > The situation here is somewhat special because Phoenix uses one or > both > > > of > > > > these technologies (they are both transaction managers on top of > > HBase), > > > so > > > > they may have an interest in their continued survival. Tephra > briefly > > > > discussed this last June[1], though nothing came of it. My > conclusion > > is > > > > there is not enough momentum left for these podlings to vote > themselves > > > > into Phoenix without an external push. > > > > > > > > So before we push them into retirement I believe we should involve > the > > > > Phoenix PMC and see if they want to adopt either or both of these, > with > > > the > > > > knowledge that they will likely be getting minimal contributions from > > > > current members of those projects going forward. If others are ok > with > > > > this I can contact the Phoenix PMC and see if they wish to take any > > > action > > > > on this. > > > > > > > > Alan. > > > > > > > > 1. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > https://lists.apache.org/thread.html/87ace080ef8a967b238781979a8d9a0cb9607ac4a195d5937756ec66@%3Cdev.tephra.apache.org%3E > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > Best regards, > > > Andrew > > > > > > Words like orphans lost among the crosstalk, meaning torn from truth's > > > decrepit hands > > > - A23, Crosstalk > > > > > >
