Thank you! This is much clearer now.
So the duty boundary is that the PMC should respond and do their best
(have the control, negotiate to take it down), if it fails beyond a
PMC's authority, ask for trademarks@ help.
For opendal.databend.rs, I'd ask two questions:
1. It's not a "well-known and used by the community around" site; we
just want to keep existing URLs spread over the Internet not broken.
We shared those URLs before the project was donated. This domain name
has not been used as a primary URL since entering the Incubator.
> could stop redirecting it to foo.apache.org and point foo.x.com at their own
> competing product
2. It's a strategy issue. If this is the root issue, currently,
opendal.databend.rs doesn't do this. If it does, it's clearly that the
PMC should take actions as stated above. But if not, combine with 1
that it's not to be spread and confusing as the primary one, can we
hold the redirections outside PMC (since the company can hardly
transfer its assets in this case and they won't do things evil or at
risk)?
Best,
tison.
Justin Mclean <jus...@classsoftware.com> 于2023年12月29日周五 14:07写道：
>
> Hi,
>
> > If today, someone on the internet, for any reason, buys a domain name
> > and redirects it to opendal.apache.org. You don't even have contact to
> > that person. Do you still argue that the PMC should take control of
> > that domain?
>
> Of course not, the issue is not with redirecting a domain. The issue mostly
> exists with existing domains. A 3rd party, if they had control of a domain
> name, foo.x.com could stop redirecting it to foo.apache.org and point
> foo.x.com at their own competing product. If that domain was well known and
> used by the community around foo, that would most likely be an issue.
>
>
> > The case becomes complex when web saas involved. Anyone can possibly
> > build a {user-id}.github.io or {app-name}.vercel.com and redirects it
> > to opendal.apache.org in a few minutes.
> >
> > If you said, these are violations so the PMC should spend time
> > investigating and trying to take them down. This sounds reasonable,
> > but of course, if you cannot find the person, you can hardly take it
> > down, Negotiating with the saas provider can take a lot of time and
> > they may not support your requirement.
>
> Just about all providers have take-down mechanisms we can use if the name is
> one of our trademarks. If a PMC found itself in this position, the owner
> wasn't responsive, and the site’s content was in clear violation of our
> policy, it would be best to involve trademarks to help and it’s a fairly
> straightforward matter to request the site to be taken down.
>
> Kind Regards,
> Justin
>
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