If the `incubator-` prefix significantly burdens the graduation process or introduces inconveniences in package or dependency management, its removal might be considered.
However, IMO, maintaining incubating in the description, and website, especially in the *release version*, clearly signals that this is an incubator release of an Apache project, which should be sufficient to alleviate most ambiguity. I mean, `incubating` is just a temporary status label, it's changeable, while the project or product name usually is immutable. Regards, Xinyu Zhou On Mon, Apr 29, 2024 at 5:40 PM tison <wander4...@gmail.com> wrote: > Before starting the vote, I found (perhaps) a final question: Shall we thus > guide all the new podlings to enter the incubator without incubator- prefix > and thus converge all the current podlings are in form apache/foo? > > I'm afraid that if new podling can still have the incubator- prefix, it can > give a confusing impression to end-users. > > I can't find a good place to document this point but perhaps we spread the > consensus when reviewing new podling proposal's "Git Repositories" section. > > Best, > tison. > > > ConradJam <czy...@apache.org> 于2024年4月29日周一 14:17写道： > > > As a developer on the Apache Amoro project, I believe it's crucial to > > prominently display the project's status as an incubator, whether by > > attaching it to the project prefix or featuring it on the website. Most > > individuals typically recognize that a project is in incubation through > the > > project's website or GitHub description (including myself when initially > > encountering or learning about a project). Every project developer has an > > obligation to indicate the project's incubation status when promoting or > > publicizing it. Additionally, displaying a clear logo on the website > > indicating its incubation status is essential. As a user, simply having > > that incubator logo or description suffices for me. Therefore, I’m +0 > for > > incubator- prefix . > > > > tison <wander4...@gmail.com> 于2024年4月24日周三 19:49写道： > > > > > Thanks for your participation! > > > > > > For people who support drop the incubator- prefix, please describe you > > > opinion on: > > > > > > > 3. It's still significant to make it clear that a podling is in the > > > incubating status and thus a DISCLAIMER to protect the ASF branding. > > > > I'd propose to add the "incubating" words to each repo's README. This > > can > > > be regarded as treating those READMEs a homepage for the repo and, > > > > > > > > 1. Name the project as "Apache Foo (Incubating)" in its first and > most > > > prominent uses, hopefully and H1 heading. > > > > 2. Add a footer including the Incubator logo and DISCLAIMER, like the > > > current footer of Apache Answer (Incubating) [3] > > > > [3] https://answer.apache.org/ > > > > > > Be sure that you know we don't barely drop the prefix, but we need a > > formal > > > way to "make it clear that a podling's repo is in the incubating > status", > > > which can be achieved currently by its prefix. > > > > > > Best, > > > tison. > > > > > > > > > Wilfred Spiegelenburg <wilfr...@apache.org> 于2024年4月23日周二 13:12写道： > > > > > > > For Go based projects dropping the incubator reference in the git > repo > > > > makes things easier also when graduating. Packages and dependencies > are > > > > referenced based on the repository name. Renaming the repository > either > > > > requires changes throughout the code base to remove the incubator > > > reference > > > > or the packages will always have the incubator reference in them. > > > > > > > > Wilfred > > > > > > > > On 2024/04/23 01:22:02 tison wrote: > > > > > Hi, > > > > > > > > > > Recently, the new added podlings, namely Amoro and Hertzbeat, have > > > their > > > > > GitHub repo in the names: > > > > > > > > > > * https://github.com/apache/amoro > > > > > * https://github.com/apache/hertzbeat > > > > > > > > > > ... which is different to the other 20+ podlings and 200+ repos [1] > > > > > existing (this number counts retired ones and those for the > Incubator > > > PMC > > > > > itself, but it's approximate). > > > > > > > > > > [1] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > https://github.com/orgs/apache/repositories?language=&q=incubator-&sort=&type=all > > > > > > > > > > My opinion is to agree that generally: > > > > > > > > > > 1. The incubator prefix comes from the SVN days where all podlings > > were > > > > under > > > > > the incubator SVN tree. > > > > > 2. Dropping the incubator- prefix for podling's GitHub repo can > > reduce > > > > some > > > > > graduation tasks (although it's somewhat a milestone and ceremony > for > > > the > > > > > podling, and INFRA does not find it a large job, as well as it > won't > > > > break > > > > > downstream almost due to redirections). > > > > > 3. It's still significant to make it clear that a podling is in the > > > > > incubating status and thus a DISCLAIMER to protect the ASF > branding. > > > > > > > > > > With these premises, I started this thread with the following > > proposals > > > > and > > > > > questions. > > > > > > > > > > 1. Establish a consensus to allow podling's GitHub repo to have a > > name > > > > > without incubator- prefix. > > > > > 2. Allow other podlings to ask the INFRA to drop their incubator- > > > prefix > > > > by > > > > > now, not MUST during the graduation. > > > > > 3. Update the docs on incubator.apache.org everywhere if the > > > description > > > > > can conflict with this consensus. > > > > > 4. However, find a way to clarify that a repo belongs to a podling. > > > > > > > > > > For 4, I'd propose to add the "incubating" words to each repo's > > README. > > > > > This can be regarded as treating those READMEs a homepage for the > > repo > > > > and, > > > > > > > > > > 1. Name the project as "Apache Foo (Incubating)" in its first and > > most > > > > > prominent uses, hopefully and H1 heading. > > > > > 2. Add a footer including the Incubator logo and DISCLAIMER, like > the > > > > > current footer of Apache Answer (Incubating) [3] > > > > > > > > > > [3] https://answer.apache.org/ > > > > > > > > > > This method, however, can be a new chore for podlings that have > many > > > > > satellite repos that may previously claim their incubating status > by > > > > naming > > > > > the repos incubator-foo-satellite. But it's just another template > to > > > > > follow, so it won't be a big deal. > > > > > > > > > > Looking forward to your thoughts on this proposal and any > suggestions > > > to > > > > > improve the implementation part. > > > > > > > > > > Best, > > > > > tison. > > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org > > > > For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > Best > > > > ConradJam > > >
