I was never clear on the date/time, and we never got a quorum, so lets try again. Below is the proposed agenda (only change is to add an entry scheduling the next meeting). For reference, 1900 GMT is: California: Monday at 11 a.m. New York: Monday at 2 p.m. Spain/Zurich: Monday at 8 p.m. Melbourne: Tuesday at 6 a.m. Agenda: 1. Welcoming of new members: Peter Donald Diane Holt Ted Husted Ceki Gülcü Geir Magnusson Jr. Daniel F. Savarese Jason van Zyl 2. Old Business: 2.1 Sam: revise the scope of Jakarta 2.2 Sam: formalization of the subproject hierarcy. 2.3 Unassigned: reformat the rules for revolutionaries document from an email to a bylaw 2.4 James: Clarify the voting rules (specifically vetos): give some examples and updating the document on the web site and proposing to general. 2.5 James: put out a clear and separate e-mail to the tomcat mailing lists indicating what the criteria is for a release plan. 2.6 Unassigned: Proposal for cvs layout 2.7 James: review the bylaws. 3. New Business: 3.1 Commons proposal 3.2 PMC Member election process 4. Subproject status Note: in the long term, the way I would like to address item 3.2 above is to assign PMC representatives to monitor each subproject, and would like to give each an opportunity to discuss issues, status, and progress here. What I am looking for is major events like the recent Ant 1.3 release, upcoming Velocity release and outlook for releases like Tomcat 4.1. Without formal assignments, I'm simply expecting everybody to bring what they know. 5. Other changes in status of PMC members 6. Selecting a time for the next meeting - Sam Ruby --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]