on 3/22/01 5:36 PM, "Kuster, Egon" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> which one has been around longer?

Turbine has been around *a lot* longer (we are talking years at this point).

I gave a +1 to Struts being started because Craig said that he wanted to
work together. That ended up not being the case and Struts is now a direct
competitor to Turbine.

My vote is for Turbine as I think that JSP sucks balls, but as the original
creator of the project and a consistent negative voice in JSP land (I have
been bashing it for years now), I'm seriously biased.

If you are considering JSP at all, this is highly recommended reading:
    <http://jakarta.apache.org/velocity/ymtd/ymtd.html>

> Which is more mature?

No software is mature.

Which one offers the most tools for developing web applications and the most
generalized and extensible framework with the widest user base (meaning who
is doing the weirdest and most twisted things)? Turbine wins without a
doubt.

Quite a lot of the concepts in Struts are simply borrowed from patterns that
Turbine has been using from day one. Actions are a good example of that.

thanks,

-jon


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