And for an example of a dead company whose products are gone too, how
about Ashton-Tate (anyone remember dBase?).

I liked Linus' comments.  They essentially echo the arguments for XP,
that software should be evolved rather than Designed (captial-D).  Even
though he was (apparently) talking about Solaris when critisizing Sun,
the same argument indicts the acolytes of the Java Community Process as
well.

As a case in point, I would like to point out EJB CMP as an example of
"design-driven" technology which may very well look really stupid in
another few years, especially given its atrociously slow mutation rate.
If anyone who was writing this crap (the spec) was actually *using* it,
it would probably allow for automatic generation of freaking primary
keys...

Jeff Schnitzer
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> their products are still around, still evolving, but those 
> corporations
> are long gone
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> Neville Burnell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
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> > anyone remember Lotus Developments and WordPerfect Corporation ...
> they had
> > billions in the bank too
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> Lotus == IBM
> WordPerfect == Corel.
> 
> Still around... just different names :)
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