The Apache projects leave all the production decisions to the committers. And all the committers are the same, there are no formal roles. We are all volunteers here, and so it very hard to delegate responsbilities. We can't say you work on this and you work on that. People have to step up and do what they choose to do.
In a meritocracy, the products belong to those who created it -- the committers. The ASF owns the license, but the committers control the code, along with its documentation, and how it manages its internal state. We make an infrastructure available to the teams, to make their jobs easier. These include the mailing lists, CVS, Bugzilla, and Gump. Hopefully Eyebrowse will be available soon. (Are we still trying the Jive BBS forum?) But we can't really dictate a development methodology, and require people to file formal proposals and what not. How the software and documentation is created is up to the committers, and no one else. There are almost as many development methodologies as they are developers ;-), but they all have one thing in common: communication. Which is what the Jakarta infrastructures tries to provide, a way for committers and users to communicate. If better tools were provided for posting proposals and plans, I'm sure most of the teams would use them. I remember Jon posted a link to something another platform used to automate proposals. (Can't remember what, but it was very cool.) But someone has to step up and make the tools available, the way people like Pier stepping up and made Bugzilla available. It's not anything the PMC can dictate. We have no staffers, and have to wait for a volunteer with both inspiration and persperation. If JBoss is going commercial, and is looking for a collaborative platform, I'd start here: http://www.collab.net/ -- Ted Husted, Husted dot Com, Fairport NY USA. -- Custom Software ~ Technical Services. -- Tel +1 716 737-3463 -- http://www.husted.com/struts/ Frans Thamura wrote: > > Hi everyone, > > Thanks for the email, and also Jon.. ;).. I just want and try to integrate > the PMC model with JBoss, and my own model..I think this will be a good > model, even for my company that use several open source project component. > > I just want to compare my experience in managing project and Jboss model > with Apache model.. > > JBoss (Marc) wants to full time in JBoss, buy commercialing Documentation, > and want to add forum to his web site (we will see it soon).. because he > don't agree with Apache model (volunteer). I think that is true.. > > But, I see there is a good and bad things in every model, esp, when the > leader is gone (like my sample is Stefano, and I found Kevin the > burtantor --- never get his commit in his Jetspeed in this year.. except his > email for launching a OpenPrivacy.org - busy with Reptile :) ....)... Hi > Kevin... > > The cocoon development still continue...and the cocoon 2 is better, but.. I > have to scratch all the cocoon project because using cocoon 1.8.3..I work > for 1 year for that.. learn from how to install, and try to learn behavior > of Cocoon... > > This happen in Jetspeed from 1.3a1 to 1.3a2, but thanks they only change to > .xreg, extension only.. > > But, where is the draft of the xreg?? I just can find it in proposal folder > in CVS.. > > - Is there a way that in progress from the PMC, to increase the rapid of > development of their project using this method (I call it traditional > method) for a developer not in commiter level?? So all developer who > interest with development of open source can learn the project in faster, > may be 1-2 weeks, and after that can try to play around with the code.. > > Several people can read the code, but my approach in my company, try to make > like a pseudo code or diagrm to explain of it, before the script is created. > > - I try to create a model, because several of my software is based on Open > Source Project (Cocoon, Jetspeed). > > This is the hierarchy.. > PMC (We called it solution leader) --> Program Manager --> Project > Manager --> Project Leader (always 2, Techical Leader, and Project > Coordinator / Documentator --) --> Commiter (Senior Developer) --> > Contributor (Developer) --> Developer. > > I see Sun's Java, implementing specification for Servlet, J2EE, etc..and > after the final spec, they create a software, where i cannot find it in > Apache.. I see there is several project's proposal in JavaDoc, I think this > is not a good solution. isn't it??? > > But, honestly, the apache project, is more interesting, but harder to > implement.. esp for an user that want to use more than 2 project in their > application.. > > I think, if there is a new way of development (may be in Apache), where > someone responsible to a tips and trick of beginner guide of a project, > there will be hundreds new developer involve with the project, and may be > more contributor, and may be more developer.. or something clear track from > version to version... > > Or, may be do you want to keep it, because may be the Open Source Project, > or may be Microsoft will steal it... :(, I don't think this is a good.. > > Because, I cannot find a proposal track that will be implemeted in every > project in Apache, but I get it in JBoss, when JBoss want to add JMS > feature... > > Is my brain think good??? I just want to share what i think to all of you.. > Feedback is very welcomed. > > Oke, sorry the email, think postively of this, sorry if there is a negative > think of this..I just want to make it clear.. > > Frans Thamura > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Kevin A. Burton - burtonator" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "Jakarta General List" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Cc: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Wednesday, December 12, 2001 4:45 PM > Subject: Re: Comment for Apache.org > > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > > Hash: SHA1 > > > > "Paulo Gaspar" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > > > > The list is named [EMAIL PROTECTED] and not > > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > Ok, I suggest the creation of such mailing list and the creation of > > > a "Jon" page explaining the whole "Jon issue"... linked from Jakarta's > > > home page, of course. > > <snip> > > > > Hm... Is Jon becoming the Richard Stallman of the Apache Software > Foundation > > > > ;) ;) > > > > ha. > > > > - -- > > Kevin A. 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