I'll subscribe.  

(Hey you Endre ...see what just happened)

-Andy

On Tue, 2002-01-29 at 15:50, Scott Sanders wrote:
> Well I guess I now have to step up and put the code in place.  I will
> see you and anyone interested over on james-dev.
> 
> Cheers,
> Scott
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Andrew C. Oliver [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
> > Sent: Tuesday, January 29, 2002 12:43 PM
> > To: Jakarta General List
> > Subject: RE: ECS?? _TOP_ level project of Jakarta??
> > 
> > 
> > Oh and don't forget Lotus notes.  Notes seems to be somewhat 
> > of a deprecation, but had some app development features that 
> > are still used in a lot of places.  Modernize these and make 
> > them more web-ish and you'd have something that would make a 
> > lot of folks very happy.
> > 
> > 1. MIS Managers - $$$, interoperability, TCO
> > 2. Sysadmins    - frustration
> > 3. Developers   - migrate off of Notes, 
> > little-exchange-version-of-notes
> > 4. users        - stability
> > 5. power users  - choice of email client, features
> > 
> > This sounds like a great idea Scott.
> > 
> > On Tue, 2002-01-29 at 15:41, Scott Sanders wrote:
> > > Some users REQUIRE Outlook, which works with Exchange to provide 
> > > collaboration.
> > > 
> > > MIS managers install both.  But the users require Outlook, not 
> > > Exchange.
> > > 
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: Jon Scott Stevens [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > > > Sent: Tuesday, January 29, 2002 12:44 PM
> > > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > > Subject: Re: ECS?? _TOP_ level project of Jakarta??
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > on 1/29/02 12:29 PM, "Scott Sanders" 
> > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > > 
> > > > > My goal is NOT to target other developers.  My goal is to
> > > > target users
> > > > > that *HAVE* to have exchange because they:
> > > > > 1) *HAVE* to use Outlook.
> > > > > 2) *HAVE* to have real groupware capabilities 
> > (calendaring, etc.)
> > > > > 3) Refuse to give up Outlook for a web-based impl.
> > > > > 
> > > > > The users will change if they don't know that the 
> > change happened.
> > > > > Then things like Evolution and other clients can plug 
> > into an OSS 
> > > > > impl.
> > > > > 
> > > > > Scott
> > > > 
> > > > Users don't install Exchange. MIS managers do.
> > > > 
> > > > -jon
> > > > 
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> > http://developer.java.sun.com/developer/bugParade/bugs/4487555
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