What I think would be cool is if someone (other than me because I'm swamped at the moment) -- created an "Enterprise Distribution" along the lines of the vision you outline below (see: www.sourceforge.net or www.tigris.org).
-Andy On Sat, 2002-02-23 at 06:33, Leo Simons wrote: > There has been a lot of talk about what is wrong with the > current main enterprise server platforms, whether it's > about J2EE, .Net or Oracle. > > Many of the Jakarta projects provide a (IMHO) superior > alternative to parts of those platforms. Yet Jakarta as a > whole does not provide an alternative to the entire > platform. > > I think it would be good if it did. > > ------------------------------------------------------------ > Why An Integrated Solution Would Be Nice > ------------------------------------------------------------ > ...should be rather obvious. The advantages are exactly what > makes many companies get a "complete solution" rather than a > loose set of components tied together. > Imagine: > "Welcome to the Jakarta software platform. _click here_ to > download the Jakarta Server Development Kit. It includes all > documentation you need; the documenation is also _available > online_. > Extensions to the base framework include content management > tools, template engines, and implementations of many > important java standards like Servlets and JMX. Browse the > _Jakarta Server Component Library_ to find the applications > you need." > > ------------------------------------------------------------ > Why It Doesn't Happen > ------------------------------------------------------------ > ...is also pretty straightforward. Individual developers > work on the various Jakarta projects because they have an > immediate, specific need for the project they're working > on. So that's what they do. > There isn't enough people around devoting energy to > inter-project communication to get an integration project > underway. > > ------------------------------------------------------------ > What To Do > ------------------------------------------------------------ > Besides paying Sam Ruby to become a fulltime communications > manager, there's a few things I think would help > integration. > > 1) as proposed before, a separate (from general) mailinglist > dedicated to general discussion. Sharing thoughts should > develop into sharing code every so often. > > 2) a statement of intent in important places on the website. > I'm guessing that putting "we would like to see tomcat > integrate with avalon" on the projects' respective websites > would mean that such will happen sooner. > > 3) creation of implementations of Java APIs that increase > interoperability between applications (JMX, JNDI, JMS). > Having a JMX implementation within the Apache fold would > definately ease the tying together of projects. > > ------------------------------------------------------------ > Why This Rant > ------------------------------------------------------------ > I'm trying to state the obvious here. If anything, I'm > curious if anyone has figured out yet where jakarta wants > the balance between total-control-of-direction-from-above > and total-chaos-where-the-only-authority-is-cvs to be. > > best regards, > > - Leo Simons > (Avalon project) > > -- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > For additional commands, e-mail: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > -- www.superlinksoftware.com www.sourceforge.net/projects/poi - port of Excel format to java http://developer.java.sun.com/developer/bugParade/bugs/4487555.html - fix java generics! The avalanche has already started. It is too late for the pebbles to vote. -Ambassador Kosh -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> For additional commands, e-mail: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
