Andrew,

>I recommend we table this discussion, it has drawn on.  EJB/J2EE
>bitch-fest is not something that has a logical conclusion.  I suggest
>participation in the design and development of AltiRMI and AJB (sp on
>both?) 
>
Spelling corrections -  AltRMI and EOB  :-)

>is a more productive discussion.  Slam EJB by getting something
>far better up on Jakarta.
>
AltRMI - 
http://cvs.apache.org/viewcvs/jakarta-commons-sandbox/altrmi/PROPOSAL

   Current big needs are:
   
   - Duplex support over one connection. This would allow callbacks. We 
are thinking of using BEEP.  
   - Some use of WeakReferences to allow distributed garbage collection
   - Reference redirection. ServerA tells ClientA that ServerB is where 
it's return-val is 
 
EOB ( the name morphed a lot since your first heads up ) 
 http://eob.sourceforge.net/

  Status:

  - Two examples working.  Locally and remotely.

  Current Needs:

  - It is waiting on changes to AltRMI
  - Multiple implementations of core services to allow differnent 
(deployer decided) mounting of beans.
  - Work on xml manifests along lines of ejb-jar.xml
  - Fixes/changes to Jo! webserver for hiding of Avalon's classloader 
tree to servlets.

Most of all, we need more people to help / code / advise / correct

- Paul



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