This all sounds great - am looking forward to it. And to answer Jon's mail
too, Tuesday sounds good.

Apart from just meeting folks, having techie chats and drinking beer, it
will be nice to do some cross-group fertilization. There's so much going on
that its hard to keep track of it all. e.g. Maven is new to me ;-)

James

----- Original Message -----
From: "Geir Magnusson Jr." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> On 3/4/02 1:25 AM, "James Strachan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > JavaOne is around the corner. Do any Jakarta folks fancy a JavaOne get
> > together in a bar somewhere? Maybe Jon's new bar?
> >
>
> I was thinking about this earlier in feb, but wasn't sure we had the
time...
>
> I wanted to call it 'OpenOne' (but 'JakartaOne' is nice...) and use a
space
> like Jon's where we could have both a social gathering as well as some
short
> technical talks on things that didn't make it into JavaOne (for example,
if
> it didn't have anything to do with XML or web services).
>
> Here's what I had so far as a draft :
>
> I would like to get a sense of community interest for the following idea
>
> Proposal
> --------
>
> Hold an off-site convention during the week of JavaOne to provide a venue
> for topics that didn't make the cut for JavaOne as well as topics that
did,
> of course.  Examples include (imagination challenged right now...)
>
>  o bastard J2EE technologies
>    - template engines (could you guess I would suggest this ?)
>    - publishing frameworks (Cocoon et al)
>    - web app frameworks (Turbine, Maverick, Struts)
>    - ?
>
>  o mainstream technologies
>    - web services (I want to hear Sam talk about Axis :)
>    - XML-RPC
>    - ?
>
>  o community discussions
>    - JSPA issues
>    - ?
>
>  o other stuff
>    - how about JDD talking about Objective C
>    - Gump sociology
>    - Maven
>
>
> Rationale
> ---------
>
> There are a lot of interesting things in the world that Sun's marketing
crew
> doesn't have space or interest for at JavaOne.   Many of these things are
in
> daily production use by people, and it would be nice to hear about them.
>
> Many developers will be in the area for this week, and if we could find a
> way to bring us together for both social interaction as well as learning
> about some of the topics we work on and are interested in, it seems like a
> win all around.
>
> Thoughts
> --------
>
> We have an in with an event space in San Francisco (hey, Jon!) and from
what
> I understand, it has two distinct spaces, one of which can serve alcohol.
> So we can divide, cleanly, the social space and the technical space.
Those
> in the social space can bring their own, I guess :)
>
> However, I think if we do this, we should pay for the space (unless
> studio.tv wants the publicity :), and there lies a conflict of interest
> problem, but I assume that if the rate is competitive, as I am sure it
will
> be, we can all look the other way.
>
> I don't know if we have the time to pull it off - it would be nice to put
> something non-lame together.  I think we shouldn't be aggressive about
this
> - find a spot in the schedule so people aren't torn between J1 and this...
>
>
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> Geir Magnusson Jr.                                     [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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