On Thu, 2002-03-21 at 21:13, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> "Andrew C. Oliver" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote on 22/03/2002 12:13:01 PM:
> 
> > On Thu, 2002-03-21 at 20:10, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> > > I downloaded Krysalis and Centipede,  hoping to find some easy way of 
> > > building docs, but I was sorely disappointed. You have to know a ton 
> of 
> > > stuff about Cocoon, Cocoon's 'book' format (which isn't DocBook), and 
> the 
> > > other tools involved to even get your head around it.
> > > 
> > 
> > Umm... no not really.  I just set it up today for work with no prob. 
> > you just have to have a "book" file in there and change all <a>'s to
> > <links> and thats pretty much it.
> 
> Huh? You have to have a book file? What's a book file? What's allowed in 
> it?
> 

http://cvs.apache.org/viewcvs/~checkout~/jakarta-poi/src/documentation/xdocs/book.xml?rev=1.9&content-type=text/plain

The left nav bar basically.  I believe there is an example included.

> > 
> > > If you have to setup and run Cocoon to generate a few HTML files, 
> what's 
> > > the point? At least the process with site.vsl and site.xsl is 
> documented 
> > > and easy to set up, and requires no special knowledge, for most 
> commons 
> > > projects.
> > > 
> > 
> > Centipede is a bit more than just a fancy way of doing sites.  It is a
> > project starter template with some pretty nice stuff for separating out
> > ant targets and the such.  I like it. 
> 
> You mean using entities to include files as the targets? That just made it 
> harder for me to work out what was going on with the existing stuff.
> 
> As a template, it's way lacking on how to use it. For me it was like, 
> here's a sample project, feel free to hack it. 'Hack' == 'time'. I was 
> hoping for something with more detail on how to use it.
> 

Perhaps you could contribute to the documentation.  Personally, I didn't
have such problems.  (And I don't even mess with it on POI)

> > > If it's just for L&F, I'd much rather tweak the existing stylesheets.
> > 
> > I'm not sure why you had so much trouble.  I barely put any effort in it
> > at all today and got a project with complex dependencies and some doco
> > out in like 0 time flat.  And I don't proclaim to be a Cocoon expert or
> > even particularly intelligent.  :-)
> 
> I'm not claiming either, either. Especially the intelligent part, and it 
> is Friday :)
> 
> What did you put in the sitemap? 

I did nothing to the sitemap

> What naming convention did you use for your files?

Random mood of what I felt like with .xml as the extension 
(there are files included)

> What directory did you put them in? /src/documentation/xdocs?

yes

> How did you work out what to put in the index.xml file?

One example of what I put in the index.xml file (though I use an older
version) was this http://www.trilug.org/~acoliver

> Where did you put the project specific images/css/js files?

I didn't.  Javascript is for losers.

> How did you include other files into the final directory structure?

images.

> How did you change the build file so it didn't generate all the Krysalis 
> stuff?
> 

edit project-info.xml  change the name.  The doc's and stuff well you
already found those.

> There's no real explanation/docs on what to do with the directories/files 
> provided.
> 

Perhaps you should contribute to the project.  

> Anyway most of this doesn't belong here, but it gives you an idea of the 
> sort questions that a 'user' might raise.

You're preaching to the documentation choir.  However build matters do
not particularly interest me.  I'm most interested in reducing object
counts in low level file format ports (
http://developer.java.sun.com/developer/bugParade/bugs/4487555.html )
without sacrificing usability, improving the documentation to Cocoon,
and adding application extensions to Lucene.  

Your message to me suggests that you think I care whether you use
centipede or not.  You are mistaken.  It works for me.  If it works for
you, cool.  If not, use whatever.  Be free.  

<singingChorusEnd title="Born Free"/>

-Andy

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