> Jon, can you suggest a place that isn't too far away from Moscone that has a
> large bar (with real beer...) we can gather in, with a reasonably-priced
> restaurant that we can then have dinner in?  Cuisine can be anything, but a
> 'normal' american upscale bar menu might be the most appealing to the
> majority.
>
> How about Monday or Wed night?  How about the Thirsty Bear?  I don't know
> anything about the place - isn't that where the Jboss people are holding
> court?

Soapy Bear is horrid- they clean their tubes badly, use too much detergent
when they do, and as a result you get old yeast and other crap. Always a
headache the next day. I'd also be against the Irish place - too noisy to
talk :-) Other near by ones which are good to OK IMHO, have good beer and
good food are and are quiet enough to talk:

        Rickenbacher bar; 2nd and mission
        21st Amendment; 2nd 2 blocks down.

Dw



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